Recently announced is a new pistol from Staccato. This one will be available in a 4" format soon with a 4.5" format coming later.
What is interesting is a switch to Glock mags instead of the new/current Staccato dedicated 9mm mag. Other design features are ambi controls and a reversible mag release and a new optic mounting system. Also Staccato deleted the controversial grip safety. The new HD is supposed to be some form of “series 80” with an active firing pin block. Price is going to be typically Staccato…
We actually have a buddy who is all over this pistol. It doesn’t make sense to me, but his logic is that he’ll save $600 in mags. (10 X $60 for Atlas 17 round mags)
Some say the Platypus (which is the same concept) runs good. Their gun is $1400 for an optics compatible.
Our buddy, above, shot a Platypus and said it worked, but he didn’t love it like Pappabears Staccato P Duo.
I find the idea of the HD, Platypus and OA 2311 somewhat confusing. More so with the 2311 than the other two.
Are 320 mags that much better/cheaper than 2011 mags to make the gun worthwhile? What about vs the new smaller Staccato mags? Maybe with the new Magpul stainless mags they are.
The Glock mags make more sense especially if these guns work good with PMAGs or KCI mags. Even then I’m not really sure Glock mags offer anything (other than availability) over the new Staccato mags.
The other thing that kind of surprises me is how excited some people are about a $2500 pistol that takes $25 mags. It seems cost priorities are upside down here.
With all that said, I’m eager to see how the new HD shakes out.
Interesting, I have looked at the new HD but not enough to realize they use Glock mags. Adding the Glock mags is a decent idea, mags are a key part of every gun and Glock mags have proven themselves for sure & I would much rather pay $25 per mag than $80! (10rd mags are $79 I believe) That’s one of my WTF moments with NY compliant mags, why are 10 rd mags more than 21 rd mags, because they have to put a crease or secure the base, I call bull, LOL!
I like that they did away with the grip safety also. It’s just a convenience I feel. I rarely have issues with them, but there’s no real reason for it other than tradition, I think. I’ll be interested to see these roll out and how they are received and function. I love my P Duo, and it’s my #1 pistol for sure.
The real issue with all 2011 pistols, is the .45ACP/.38 Super sized mags being modified for use with 9mm & .40 S&W. It leads to reliability issues and with older mags, lots of “tuning” sensitivity. It really makes sense in a 9mm ascendancy to reimage the 2011 to use reliable mags originally designed for the 9mm cartridge.
Sure you won’t be able to swap .45 and .38 Super top ends/mags onto the modernized frames, but how many people would really benefit from that anyway?
I don’t have my Stacatto 4.15" in defense rotation because as well as it shoots, every once in a blue moon it will fail to feed from slidelock with JHP’s, even with the newer, “better” mags.
I think this is the part of the conversation thats being missed:
18 round steel tube glock mag, from the manufacturer of probably the best metal handgun mags out there. Under factory Glock pricing ($18.95), slightly above Magpul.
The MEC-GAR mags are probably as interesting as the gun itself and I was wondering what Staccato’s plan was for mags. I doubt Glock would sell them mags in mass quantities. And people would expect more than an $18 PMAG with a $2500 pistol.
Mec-Gar makes awesome mags and makes many OEM mags for manufacturers. Greg Cote is a top-notch outfit and has some of the best service/pricing on Mags. I also wondered if Glock was all of a sudden going to start sending/selling mags to Staccato! Of course, they are out of stock and when I looked @ Mec-Gar they didn’t even list them so that’s interesting. WIll be watching to see how this all plays out.
The only source I know of for mags made in the factory stlye (aside from KCI) are from XTech.
These look pretty much like the real deal and may even work with OEM or aftermarket extended base plates.
Staccato seems to have lined things up nicely by using the metal MEC-GAR mags but these XTECH mags might be a good option for those wanting plastic for whatever reason. Maybe Staccato could buy these with Dawson or similar extensions and sell them as an official replacement / option item.
Meh. Wanting another gun to take Glock mags is almost as pants on head retarded as someone asking if something not a Glock, takes Glock mags or not.
I mean, I can see the utility of a PCC PDW or a sub gun PCC type taking the same mags as your EDC, but that’s it.
If it was a reliability issue, I could also see the point. But I have yet to hear that or see one with it. Those guns simply ran and ran fast. The upper tier CZ’s came real close to matching them provided the shooter was somewhat competent themselves.
The only times I will care if something else takes Glock mags, if it is another Glock. I didn’t buy all these Glock mags to run in a VP9 even if there was such a frame that took Glock mags anyways.
Simply put, match reliable and self-defense/duty reliable are two different standards. It wouldn’t matter if the HD took Glock or Sig or HK or Beretta or S&W mags. It matters that they’re DESIGNED for 9mm as the primary cartridge, not as an afterthought.
It will be interesting to see how the new HD runs with the Mec-Gar mags, but I don’t see many issues as they are typically great mags. I guess time will tell. And regardless of how the 9mm mags are designed, I have 8 10rd mags in my rotation and have had 0 mag/feed issues of any kind. I have well over 4K+ rds through my Staccato P.
Maybe the 17/21 rd mags are problematic, I wouldn’t know living in NY, LOL
