I ran across an interesting flavor of LE6920. They were originally destined for the Mexican police, but Colt made too many or the contract fell through or whatever, and they were sold off as surplus basically to the US consumer market. So they’re kind of interesting in the sense that they’re legit contract rifles that ended up on the commercial market. Now that contract was with Mexico, and maybe they have lower standards than the US government-I don’t know-but one would assume being a government entity that they would get the full TDP treatment.
The rifles were made sometime around 2014ish maybe, and they share some of the same odd characteristics as the newer LE6920s and CR6920s. The barrels are marked with the separated MP, and the extractors are marked CE. The handguards do not have the glue, and the stocks, while having cage codes, do have the little circular mark where a logo can be placed in the mold.
So maybe there’s hope that the subcontracted parts are being held to TDP, and that the new CR models are still full spec like the previous LE line. I wish Colt would be more transparent and consistent about guaranteeing full TDP spec on all of their ARs, like they were briefly in the late 2000s, but I guess you just have to accept the things you cannot change when it comes to them.
There is one bugaboo in this theory, though. The rifle I examined had an F marked front sight and C marked carrier. It is disconcerting that the CR models don’t have F marked front sights, because that kind of implies that those at a bare minimum aren’t being held to TDP standards. I think it’s super strange they would do that regardless, because I didn’t even know you could get non F marked front sights anymore. I thought they were essentially the stuff of retro builders these days.
‘F’ marked front sight was only necessary when two different heights of front sight bases were being manufactured. That is no longer the case so the ‘F’ mark isn’t necessary. ‘F’ marked fsb’s that make it onto CR6920’s are leftover .mil fsb’s. Not marking the fsb’s were not required by contract eliminates a production step/costs.
The ‘C’ mark on the carrier is a .mil requirement. Again, not necessary on the CR6920. Not putting a ‘C’ on the carrier eliminates a production step/cost.
Colt is streamlining their production process to eliminate as many redundant or unnecessary steps as possible which is part of the reason they have now stopped milling off lever stops. I understand that people don’t like it, but I understand them doing it and don’t blame them in the highly competitive industry where they are additionally burdened by union costs.
Skipping those marks isn’t saving them any money, so I think that’s a non starter right there, as far as arguments go.
Still, if the marks were the only thing they skipped, obviously nobody really cares. But the problem is that it suggests they’re no longer running the single production line, which means we could be getting just about anything. The CR could be anything ranging from a full spec 6920 to a glorified Expanse. People no longer know what they’re getting for their money.
Every mark on a part requires someone to change a tool, perform a step by hand, etc. That absolutely translates to manhours and additional production dollars.
Marking things is pretty seamless, and doesn’t generally add much if anything to the cost of a product, especially if cosmetics aren’t an issue, as they aren’t in this case. The cost of operating two assembly lines would FAR outweigh any savings they might achieve by skipping the marks, IF that’s the only thing they were skipping.
That’s just the sight, though, so hopefully the barrels and bolts are still up to snuff.
What makes you think that the FSBs themselves aren’t “up to snuff”? They are still “F” height despite not having the mark, so I’m not really seeing the issue???
There are five CR6920 rifles on the shelf where I work. Two of them have cage code marked upper receivers, and came packed in the old school blue plastic bag. The other three do not have cage code marked upper receivers, and came packed in a clear plastic bag. Some of them have Schmid Tool markings on the selectors and trigger groups, some don’t.
Are the extractors marked CE? I’ve not been able to find out what that means, but apparently Colt has been using them since maybe 2014ish. Ditto for the separated MP mark.
Like was said above, the F marking was to distinguish the flat top FSB from the FSB used on the A2 models. The A2 rifles arent being made anymore so they are only making the F height FSB, so there is no reason for the markings anymore.
Which government? The US doesn’t purchase them from Colt anymore. Why make a mark for something you aren’t doing? That’s like spray painting a number in your car for a race you’re not entering.
That’s a very disrespectful way to describe him. I don’t see where he’s said or done anything to deserve that.
It does matter, because people deserve to know what they’re paying for, and if Colt is going to be opaque about it then it’s up to us internet commandos to try and ferret out the truth. If the parts are to TDP, we know from experience that the bolts will outlast a typical barrel, and said barrel will be around 1 MOA. If not to TDP, we also know from experience that bolts will likely break much sooner and barrels will be well in excess of 1 MOA. Extractors and springs perhaps even more importantly were really something to write home about in the glory days of the LE6920, as well.
Other manufacturers don’t own the TDP. The whole thing with Colt is that you were getting the same parts they used in contract rifles, so you knew they were up to snuff. There was a certain degree of transparency because Colt let journalists in the factory to see the single production line, and consumers could see the cage codes and markings for themselves. Now we have no idea what’s going on.
15 years ago you could get one off the same assembly line as the military M4s. And it was totally to the TDP. Except it had a sear block, a web, no selector stops, half moon carrier, 16” barrel, no bayonet lug, screw pivot pin, .170” fcg pins, notched hammer. But by god there was a C right there on the upper.
The C stamp on the receiver and the carrier is the only thing that’s really changed. The F stamped FSB went away when they retooled the forge.
The cage marked extractors and charging handles are a recent thing.
I’ve seen unmarked, C stamped, and now cage stamped disconnectors over the years.
Barrels without date stamps.
Colt is inconsistent with markings. Just because they’re doing it today doesn’t mean anything about what they may or may not have done or will do.