let’s see -
-pakistan booting us out of air base over recent attack
-iran shoots down u.s. drone
-muslim brotherhood ascendancy in egypt
-iran nukes
am i missing anything here?
You missed Iran storming the UK embassy.
Same shit, different day.
I watched both the Six-Day War and the Yom Kippur War before I was out of high school. And things were a lot more tense back in those days.
The media and the politicians trade in sensationalism and fear. Frankly, I’m sick of being told the fucking world is coming to an end every other five minutes.
yeah, but this is a little different. Russia is in an election year and they have bee sabre rattling as well. The EU is on the verge of bankruptcy so it’s going to take an act of god to get them to mobilize. The UN? We are the UN and NATO, and WB…etc.
We’re broke, spread thin, and have a lot shi going on domestically!
If you’re not taking the seperate facts in and coming up with a possible oh shit situation then you need to check your math!
The only positive and this is a BIG positive is that we have the best trained, armed, and experienced war fighters in the world at this point and time! We have been in one armed conflict or another for the past 20yrs!!
So if someone wants to get into a pissing contest they need to know we’re packing more meat and a bigger bladder than anyone else in the world!!
To be fair to Dave,
The '73 war came at a time when America was reflexively anti-war, borderline anti-military, trust in our system was at an incredible low, the Europeans were/are useless (name decade, they’re cowards or combat ineffectual), we were entering a near decade of economic disaster, an energy crisis (replete with gas lines, still haven’t seen that yet), the Soviets had most of the political/military influence with the big hitters in the ME, and so on. It’s not as if the world was rose scented with rounded corners during the Yom Kippur War.
And during the Six-Day War we had 500,000 troops deployed in South Vietnam, leaving us in not the best position if things really warmed up in the ME.
Amazing just how quickly that region can go south less than 2 years after the current POTUS was elected.
It’s akin to putting a blind two-legged dog with no teeth to guard the chicken coop. Don’t be surprise if you loose more chickens than before.
That’s simply an absurd observation. How the fuck is the situation now any further south than it’s been for the past decade? The Arab Spring? Give me a break. That’s exactly what the neo-cons said they were trying to stimulate by invading Iraq and deposing Sadam. An outbreak of democratic uprisings throughout the Middle East.
Maybe we should be a little more careful what we wish for. That’s the bitch about democratic free elections. Sometimes folks vote for the guys you don’t like. Ya buy your ticket and ya take your chances.
Move along here nothing to see, everything is going perfectly…
This. Who made us the great sewers of democracy seeds? Some cultures simply aren’t cut out for it. Perhaps if we’d spend less time telling the rest of the world how perfect it is for them and instead set a good example, we might have better luck worldwide? 
sometimes i think that is precisely the plan!
The Mohammedan-in-Chief is on it - nothing to worry about… :rolleyes:
I like where your head’s at. However, that doesn’t fit in with the bigger agenda.
Tribe member here. Many in Israel have had it with Obama. Many have had it with Iran. Many have had it in general with Arabs. Many in Israel are ripe to start something and to finish it. The lessons of Lebanon haven’t been forgotten. Takes a lot to push Israelis to action, but they have proven they are more than game when they finally get riled up.
Israeli attitudes have hardened recently and the contentious nature of the US-Israel realations(thanks Obama) has made many think unilateral is the way to go. I interact regularly with recent IDF’ers and the prevailing attitude seems to be one of “let’s get some.” Say what you will, but a determined and united Israel is something other Middle Eastern countries would rather not have to mess with. The current admin.'s bungling of Israeli relations has actually made Israel more self-sufficient, determined, prepared, and thank goodness, aggressive.
I agree with you on everything you’re saying. I don’t know if it’s obama or the fact that the us is trying to placate a number of the arab countries… It’s not rigth. Israel has been a good ally and I don’t like the way they seem to leaving you guy’s out to dry. I think you guys might be surprised at just how many us-israel flights would be full of fighting age men and women if you decided to make a go of it. At least that is the feelling I’ve gotten from conversations I’ve had with people.
Does that mean we can stop propping them up?
you’re going to call israel out? Why don’t you get on your soapbox about Pakistan and all of the other POS coutries we give money to!
do you have any Israeli friends? Have you ever been to Israel? How many Israelis do you see on welfare or gov’t aid? How many times has Israel given our country intelligence about terror attacks? Yemen, World trade center ( BOTH TIMES)
you need to stow that shit!!
80% of our foreign aid goes to Israel. What technology we don’t give them, they steal. I’m all for not giving anyone any money. Non interventionist. Ask yourself “what Smedley Butler would do?” and you have my answer. I’m certain you will reply with some hack, jingoistic nonsense but do remember the USS Liberty.
As far as me “stowing that shit,” you are certainly welcome to try and make me.
Israel should learn how to get on its feet and toddle along like a big country all by itself.
We’ve spent several hundred billion dollars in that region since the Camp David Accords in 1978 and haven’t accomplished “peace” or much else for that matter except for fueling warring countries with American dollars. My government steals my money and gives it to a country that I will never visit, have no ties to and expects to do the same around the globe to multiple warring factions to somehow buy peace. Well, it’s not working and if you’d like to send your money overseas then get an envelope, slap a stamp on it and send your greenbacks to wherever and whomever you’d like. Just don’t come steal mine at gunpoint and expect me to be happy about it.
We give billions of dollars to Israel, Egypt, Jordan, etc every year and pay no attention to the real problems that come along with foreign intervention. I for one am not willing to give away my hard earned money, my children’s future and the economic stability of our own country so that we can somehow feel benevolent in our cause to “save” Israel. Please don’t misunderstand my position and somehow think I’m anti-Semitic or anything of that nature. If it were up to me we’d end all foreign aid, let Americans keep their hard earned money or at the least spend it on ourselves to better our own country.
Please take the time to read this study by the Jerusalem Institute for Market Studies as I think it may enlighten some of you to the real cost that sending money to Israel causes in terms of hurting the Israeli people’s own economy. http://www.jims-israel.org/pdf/PRUSAidEnglish.pdf
More Jews who support Ron Paul and his ideas for the country of Israel: http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/05/09/ron-paul-and-israel/
A decent article on Israel and Ron Paul that might bring some more info to the table: http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block88.html
you need to stow that shit!!
That’s not called for or very polite.
I don’t think you need to stow anything, I enjoy reading your posts as always.
I do disagree on the non-interventionist point–it’s just a difference of DEGREE, however. I agree we can’t and shouldn’t try to be the world’s cop. We’ve probably been too interventionist in the past. But there are situations where we need to intervene. And as for Israel, they are pretty surrounded and alone: they are the ONLY real democracy in that part of the world, and for that reason alone (setting aside other reasons), it is in our national interest to help keep them free and to help them defend themselves. I’d hate to see us lapse back into the non-interventionist mode we were in prior to WWII.
I have Israeli friends, I dont like Pakistan and I am pro Israel, but not at the cost of our country. I want to stop all government funded foreign aid. Israel needs to become a grown up country and stand on their own. Given the sheer amount of aid we give them, the entire nation of Israel is on welfare, U.S. (and other European nations) funded welfare. I don’t like the “fight to the last American dollar” attitude they seem to have.