I was wondering if any of the industry professionals or other knowledgeable persons that post on this forum could educate me on using the QD sling attachment points included on most of the new collapsible stocks such as the CTR, E-Mod, and yet unreleased UBR.
I am a using separate front and rear mounts currently, but one of my training partners uses the QD cup built into both his CTR stock and his new E-Mod. Is this a good idea? I don’t see nearly the amount of training time that most of you do so I thought I should ask.
on my duty weapon I use a single point sling off a single point sling mount. However, on training weapons I’ve run QD mounts (VCAS) on the CTR, EMOD, and UBR without any problems.
ETA- I’ve also run by GearSector ASP single point off the first UBR QD mount, and that has worked without any problems also.
The one AR I have with a CTR stock is set-up the way that two of Stickman’s photos depict - on the R/H side of the stock. That AR did a 3-day EAG class earlier this with no issues related to the stock / sling interface.
I use a Vickers CAG sling and use it like this on my LMT 10" SBR and on my 3gun rifle.
Both the front and rear attachment points are made by Daniel Defense. You can use the attachment point on the stock but if you try to transition to your left shoulder it gets the sling bound on your neck and tries to choke you.
Transition to the weak shoulder seems to be the only weakness to this system. You’ll have to judge for yourself if that’s imortamt, because like most things their are “Pros and Cons”.
In a “Worst Case Scenario” you can release the Quick Disconnect bucke to switch shoulders.
Someone once showed me the best way to shoot via the less dominant shoulder - just move the gun to that side - use your same hand etc.
No worries with the sling then - and same muscle memory on the weapon controls/drills.
I think you missed what I said. It’s a weakness IF the sling is attached to the stock and not the the back of the receiver end plate. Hooked to the end plate it’s JUST AS EASY to switch to my left shoulder as a single point sling is.
Stick,
Do you find you have a preference for at the receiver vs end of the stock for the placement?
I would think that with the EOS version the weapon would dangle more, be less controllable, basically get in the way more easily.
I tried running a single point through the stock rear sling mount and it seemed to get in the way more. So I went back to the end plate. But it could have been simple because mounted out off the end of the toe it didn’t hang right and the heel mount in the photo would change the cog.
For duty and most training weapons, I run the sling off a single point sling mount.
I typically use a Daniel Defense mount, but GearSector makes the lowest profile mount available and I use them on some as well. Another new option to consider is the Magpul Sling Adapter. The MSA locks itself against the castle nut preventing it from working loose.
Please excuse the second picture as it is from an early prototype model.
This picture shows how low profile the GearSector sling mount is, though I confess this weapon is not mine.
Lastly, another option would be something like the Daniel Defense EZ CAR mount. There are several variants of this style mount available, and its an idea for those people who aren’t comfortable pulling their receiver extension (buffer tube) off to install a single point sling mount.
Pinnacle,
If my above comments derail or hijack your thread, let me know and I’ll edit them out.
Not in the slightest. I appreciate any input I can get from people that carry their rifles for a living and/or have more training than I do. The pictures don’t hurt either.
I received my Vickers and a neat Daniels Defense QD that mounts directly under the center of the buffer tube. I’ll mount the front in a QD mount that attaches to the raill right ahead of themag well for starters.
I’ll adjust accordingly, but initially this eems like it would ne a good place to start.
I want the gun to be tight against the body and not flapping around, but I also want to be able to extend it accordingly for standinng knealing, squatting, sitting and roll over prone.
Lot’s to expect. I’m still debating how to switch shoulers without disconnecting. Is their enought teather to accomodate this? I’ve heard no.
I have the DD Mount, but I’m recovering from Spinal Disc Surgery and haven’t installed it yet.
My thought with going with this mount is that it moves the rear sling point 5-6" forward from the rear stock mount, and that might aid in shoulder transition.
The whole reason for the topic is that I have read that the only problem with the VCAS is you can’t transiton to the weak shoulder, hence my comment about just hitting the quick relaese Fastex buck if you need to to do this.
Does anyone have any experience with weak shoulder trnsition specifically with the Vickers VCAS Sling?
If you insist on changing hands (which is not a tactical reality) the issue will be how long you run your sling – I find if I try that my sling gets caught up on my gear prior to any other issues - if your not shooting in gunfighting gear you may have better luck.
I’ve been able to transition easily from shoulder to shoulder in CIRAS using the above sling setup (GG&G Plate w/ Vickers sling and GG&G rail mount right at the receiver edge of the rail) using the same hands - I cannot do the same with switching hands.
Just curious how often folks are finding a need for this?
When we were doing convoy escort and I found myself on the right side of the vehicle I would hold my rifle left handed, but as soon as I dismounted it was back in my right hand.
Other then that I never ran into an instance where I had to switch.
Guys…
Were talking extremes here, and I’m really opening all the “Can of Worms” that i can think of. If you don’t think of the alternatives, you’ll never be as reaqdy as you can be to handle them.
My point…
If you’re slung up for your strong shouder and you need to clear a corner with your weak side, you’re going to be leading with more body parts than ideal.
That’s all I’m saying.
By the way, I have decided on the Vickers with a rail mount very close to the mag well, and a Daniel’s Defens QD mount that goes directly under the buffer tube as a starting point.
