Sionics listed these during their Labor Day sale and I am looking for some feedback on these before I pull the trigger on one. Pun intended. The price is solid for a NP3 coated trigger and I really like their enhanced triggers. Link: http://sionicsweaponsystems.com/store2015/lower-receiver-parts/214-bolt-carrier-group-hpmpi-tested-with-np3-carrier.html
If I can lay my healing hands upon one, I’ll do a review, but I haven’t see or heard of any in the wild.
I guess I missed this on Labor Day or I’d have got it over the Geissele SD-C I picked up just to check it out. The web site says they are currently on sale, does that infer this an intro price with an increase to be expected?
FYI, their web site says they have 25 in stock now, still on sale.
I wanted to update the thread. I purchased one and it arrived yesterday. I installed it and have been dry firing with it and it is really smooth, with a noticeable wall and break, as well as a very crisp, distinctive reset. It has a wider trigger bow and is very similar to the LaRue MBT with regard to its overall form factor. I can’t wait to get to the range with it and see what it does.
I’m surprised they don’t list the stage pull weights. If it’s like 2.5/2.0 I’d try one. But I don’t need another with a light second stage like the enhanced SSA-E.
EDIT: I ordered one anyway since I trust these guys to make quality stuff and the inventory looked to be shrinking fast.
Very interested in reports from those who purchased.
Tough to beat the MBT-2S right now, but this one at least has me curious.
They’re on sale for $79.99…any reason to get this, over a Larue MBT?
There’s very little info on the web about these triggers. Does anyone have any hands on experience?
Actually there is plenty of info. I received mine. It is stamped “1005 tactical.” Frankly, I was a bit disappointed that this is not clearly stated in the sionics web site that they are selling the 1005 tactical trigger. To specifically answer your question, IMHO, the 1005 TT is not in the same league as the Larue. If I am mistaken, or these are built to a different standard then I would hope IG will correct me. However, a few of my shooting friends bought these triggers from a different vendor and were disappointed. In shooting their guns, I was not impressed. The first stage seems to stack (hard to explain) and a bit of creep. It seems to measure over 1.5 on the 1st stage and overall runs around 4.75. In my case, I am getting similar results. The reset seems a bit long as well.
I am an incredible fan of sionics, but, again IMHO, I unfortunately can’t give this trigger a thumbs up. YMMV.
Cheers, Steve
I bought one recently but haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet. No problems with installation. As noted above it’s marked “1005 Tactical.” Based on dry firing it my initial impressions are that it’s Ok. Not stellar, but not terrible either. The first stage is smooth with no stacking and a very definite wall. The second stage though feels a little mushy to me. It seems to have a little drag and the break isn’t as clean as I would like it be. I’m comparing it to Geissele SD-E and SD-C triggers that I have in other guns. I went in knowing that I would not get the same level of performance out of this trigger as I do out of triggers that cost two or three times as much so in that regard I guess it’s about what it should be. I’m curious to see if the second stage will smooth out any with use.
Thanks for the info.
I ended up ordering it, mostly because I had other items in the cart and was going to order a trigger anyway.
Had no idea it’s another company’s trigger. Seems like PSA and a few others sell it as their own. Got a chance to search for reviews for 1005 and it seems generally mixed, but positive. For reference the nicest trigger I’ve shot is the BCM’s NiB fcg that comes with their LPK. I’ve got an MBT in an orphan lower, and dry firing it feels great.
I figure that if Sionics has it up and says its reliable, it’s worth a shot. Worst case it’ll go on my cheap PSA pistol.
If anyone in NoVa wants to give it twirl, let me know.
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Yeah I didn’t know this either. I grabbed one. It’s okay. It straddles the ground between a QMS and an MBT-2S. I’m surprised at the amount of, not grit, but excess texture that I’m getting at the break. Not really super happy with it. Compared it to an SSA and SSA-E… which is not really fair in the truest sense, but those are what I use. It’s not in the same category. More creep, less refinement. Longer reset.
I’ve shot several MBT’s and they’re better… an MBT from a good batch can give an SSA a decent run in most aspects of performance and feel… though I wouldn’t call them a direct equal to the SSA in an absolute sense, they’re really close. This Sionics trigger is not close to an SSA.
I’m a little disappointed, to be honest. It’s got overlap with an ALG ECT but it’s also better in some areas. This is with about 40 lubed (with grease) dry fire pulls in a spare lower.
Mine will be going up in the EE at a healthy discount in a bit. I’ll be grabbing an MBT-2S.
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Looks a lot like the Ruger Elite 452 MSR Trigger , https://www.ruger.com/micros/AR-Trigger/index.html ,
or the PSA 2 stage NiB trigger https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-2-stage-nickel-boron-trigger-assembly-516447205.html ,
… DSG Arms, https://dsgarms.com/dsg-4202-0012
These very similiar triggers are lots of places… under a variety of names… Ruger being the earliest I have seen.
I believe they’re all just Schmid Tool’s own two-stage trigger.
Stag’s look similar as well. Over Cyber-Monday they had them for $49.99. I passed.
https://www.stagarms.com/nickel-boron-two-stage-trigger-set/
I’ll give one of these a try next to a broken in SSA-E and a newer MBT.
They are.
I have to say,
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/_p/POF-00858.htm
I am Shock that these POF triggers are not WAY More Popular around here, IMHO: These are the “BEST Bang for the Buck”, Plus it comes with KNS anti rotation pin- thingies.
Try it, You Will Love it and Thank Me all the way home from the range!
Because-
- It’s a crisp single stage which has reduced sear engagement that’s unsuitable for a self loading rifle subjected to rough handling
- It’s a cassette trigger that will be difficult to clear if a popped primary gets in it
- It comes with KNS anti rotation pins
BLUF:
USGI- 4-6/10
Sionics Enhanced 2-stage- 7.5/10
LaRue MBT-2S- 8.5/10
Geissele SSA-E- 9.5/10
I installed the Sionics Enhanced 2-stage trigger, and dry fired it next to a newer USGI, a new MBT-2S, and a used SSA-E. My current feelings are as follows, based solely on my experience of shooting 5k-10k rounds yearly through a variety of weapons without focusing on any weapon system in particular. (Most of my rifles and issued rifles have USGI triggers.)
USGI trigger- 4-6/10. Not a bad deal in the $40 range. Can range from decent to horrible, mostly being ok. Last rifle I was issued was possibly 10 pounds, one before that was probably 7. NP3, PNT, etc obviously nicer than stock gritty version.
Sionics Enhanced 2-stage-7.5/10
4lbs 8.1oz average. Proper price/value. It actually feels pretty good, but it does feel as advertised, and it isn’t advertised as a match trigger. Think of a budget MBT-2S.
LaRue MBT-2S - 8.5/10
4lbs 1.6oz average. Exceptional price/value. I actually feel it’s worth more than they charge. Very close to the SSA-E, but not quite, though it’s more than forgivable at its price. Think of a budget Geissele.
SSA-E -9.5/10
3lbs 9.6oz average. The gold standard in my book. As much of a “you get what you pay for” product as I can quantify. I paid $175 for mine. For most applications, not worth the $100 premium over the MBT, but it’s everything I’m looking for in a non-adjustable match trigger for.a precision AR.
I feel like you really start to pay for the quality of the second stage break once you move into the higher end triggers.
Just my humble $.02