Very true on the golf cart The weight adds up quick!
It sure does add up. I know just a day in the woods with a deer rifle and jframe in my pocket and enough food and water for the day and I am Damn tired. For those of us with young children bugging in or bugging out by vehicle is the only real option.
I’d probably argue a SBR would be my SHTF weapon rather than a middy with a 16"+ barrel. Any engagements outside it’s range are better avoided and it’s handier.
Well said. SBR for me too. Concealment is a huge plus.
Honestly, as someone who’s doing everything they can to get their hands on an SGL21-71.
I can tell you, I would absolutely not carry that gun in a SHTF.
I guarantee you at least double probably triple or quadruple the amount of civilians have AR’s as AK’s, every LE department has AR’s just about, the entire military has AR’s.
Which means parts, bullets and magazines are very accessible.
To me that matters most.
Honestly as for the SHTF weapons.
I’m thinking an AR SBR of whatever flavor, frankly, if you leave your house you’re going to be carrying it everywhere, even on your own property you’ll be carrying it everywhere. You’ll be carrying it a heck of a lot more than using it (if you’re smart, just because you have a rifle doesn’t mean you need to shoot it, honestly, and frankly, getting into a gun fight in a situation where you may or may not get medical attention is a bad idea.).
The size and weight savings, availability of spare parts, IMHO, something like a Colt 6933 (or save yourself $300-400 and get an BCM 11 NFA Carbine (same thing, virtually, adheres to all the same tests/standards)) would be ideal.
I’d say that with an Aimpoint, EoTech’s are out, the battery life sucks, and if it’s a situation when you use what you can carry, I wouldn’t bother with an EoTech, I want something I can leave on for years. I think the Comp M4 looks good for that because it can take AA batteries and has the longest battery life (Approximately 100,000 hrs was it?) in a 2 MOA dot.
That’s how I’d run it.
Handguns… Honestly I don’t know if I’d bring a handgun… maybe, but… if you’re carrying everything you own and weight matters, why carry 4-5 extra lbs, when you could carry 3-4 more AR magazines than a handgun?
Just my opinion.
Glocks are great, M&P’s are great, don’t think you could go wrong, with a 3rd gen Glock 17 though, they’re out there for cheap too.
ETA: I’d say the most important thing is a gun that can A) Run on less/reliably and B) you can most likely find parts/magazines/ammunition for.
That’s a boring way to view it, but IMHO, the best way to view it.
Definitely a rifle would be primary. Preferably an AR for me. A handgun will fill a role. If SHTF and in a “grid down” situation, there will be periods of manual labor needed where it won’t be practical to have a rifle on ones self. This is where a handgun will allow immediate access to a way to defend yourself…until you can get back to your rifle.
Just something else to think about.
I own 3 AR’s two have M4’s because of the excellent battery life and ease of locating batteries. The third gun has a TR24G all three are good to go. If it came down to weight I would ditch the aimpoints and trijicon for an A1/2 upper or a fixed DD, LMT or LaRue rear sight and take a pistol with me.
Sound logic sir. I was mainly arguing against the gas tube argument. An sbr would be awesome. Where I live, they are strictly forbidden. I would have an upper sitting around just in case, but I think there would be problems with “constructive intent.” I could build an ar pistol so I can have the upper I want. It is a catch 22 for those of us referred to as “citizen.” I would add that if going the SBR route, run your gun hard and make sure you have any bugs worked out ahead of time.
A Kahr PM9 and one extra mag for self-defense.
A Ruger 10/22 or break-down Marlin Papoose with threaded barrel and suppressor.
If there is all-out war in the streets then you are going to be dead, so you might as well load up some magic mushrooms and heroin so you can enjoy your last day or so on earth.
If you are bugging out, however, I think the above set up is ideal. They can be broken down and hidden in your car or backpack so you don’t get shot by someone who is afraid of your being armed. The pistol is to shoot those who come to get your stuff and rape your family ( or to rape your stuff and get your family if they are really bad) and to kill hungry dogs who attack you while you are taking a leak.
The 10/22 with suppressor and 4x scope will feed you as squirrels and rats will be the only edible animals left after about 4 months. You can also use them to kill people quietly in a pinch (I wouldn’t advise this, bad karma).
GHB
Sorry to bring back this old thread, but with all that’s going on in the world with our weak ass POTUS, I thought it would bring it back up.I’m more concerned with a Russia/China EMP over Denver that puts us back into the age before electronics.
Anyway, I’m contemplating a 5.45 AK from Definitive Arms or a PSA/BCM build in 5.56. All reasoning points the AR bc of parts, mags, and ammo during SHTF. However, the ability to store copious amounts of 5.45 is affordable plus, it’s hard to deny the shear survivability of anything AK.
I’d run with the AR at this point. AK’s are great rifles and all, but the advantages to buying an AK are coming to an end.
-AK rifles are just as expensive or more than a comparable AR pattern rifle
-There may not always be 5.45 in the states, especially in this political climate.
-Even 7.62x39 ammo is increasing in price.
On the other hand, the AK aftermarket has really taken off in the past couple of years. Only you can determine what pattern rifle you prefer.
Wouldn’t worry about an emp. Movies and TV tend to vastly over-hype the phenomena. Take a look at this video from 1957. Nuclear bomb exploded just 18,000 feet above them. Granted only a 2 kiloton unit but notice how their primitive tape recorder still continues to work fine.
I kindly, but most certainly, disagree.
Do you have kids or will you in the near future?
Since you’ve brought the topic back to the front, I wonder what reason you have to so ardently disagree?
Aside from that point, any electronics would have to be active at the moment EMP saturation occurs.
Two, both under 3.
I don’t have the time to explain the vast and overwhelming evidence against your opinion, but just Google EMP threat and maybe your opinion will be swayed. Not that this is real proof, but we have an entire oganazation, the EMP Commission, dedicated to these types of threats.
It’s OK to try and explain Leuthas, but for some reason, there is a group of people on the site who seem to fear an EMP attack above all else. Never mind that it’s a nuclear device, there isn’t one powerful enough to destroy the entire country’s grid, and if an enemy did actually use an EMP (or several), it would most likely be part of a coordinated nuclear attack, meaning we’d have bigger problems than the power grid. I’ll be unpopular for saying it, but I really doubt it will happen that way.
More likely is a series of terrorist attacks on the power grid itself, which leave you with functional electronics, but no centralized power source.
More likely than an EMP would be a solar flare. Similar effect to some extent, different cause. Even then, electronics which were powered down and/or unplugged would still be functional once the grid was back up and running (most sources I’ve seen say this would take no more than a year in 99.99% of cases.)
So the EMP-fearing crowd is looking at an extreme corner case. Again, not saying its impossible, but there are a hell of a lot of disasters that are more likely, most of them caused or worsened by our own idiotic government. Now go ahead and tell me why I’m wrong, because I’m sure someone is reading this and thinking just that.
Sorry to perpetuate the threadjack.
That’s just my opinion. Quite frankly, I’m worried about the attitude that our country is some how impervious to being brought back to the stone age. Hell, maybe the dollar collapses. Maybe there’s a outcry of violence that sweeps the countryside if Cruz or Trump gets elected. I don’t know. But something is coming IMO that will change how we do things day to day.
You’re kinda ****ed then. Survival rate for kids under 10 during middle age times was horrific.
I’d move to a different part of the world if you’re seriously worried about emp attacks in the US considering you have little ones you care about and who would most likely die, if this happened to the degree you are certain it will.
Otherwise look into best home euthanasia methods and live life as you would until you need to use it…