Although this would never happen because someone always wants to make a buck, I think a great response to the 7 round limit on magazines, gun manufacturers should refuse to sell semi-automatic pistols and magazines to NY Law Enforcement. Let them go back to revolvers and pump action shotguns. What are you thoughts?
Yes. Period. Dept issued is one thing but none of this “show me dept letterhead” to buy one personally bull. Cops are civilians.
Yes, and Remington should leave.
Yes, yes they should. LEO’s and Civilians make up a group of Americans called Citizens. All Citizens fall under the same laws.
Barrett will not sell to CA LE Agencies until they change their laws, if more gun companies followed suit, maybe we would see a change.
Let them use flintlocks to defend against the “unarmed” felons.
Yes, without a doubt.
I wouldn’t sell them a single thing. Period.
Another useless thread that will turn into a bitch fest and do absolutely nothing to advance are 2A rights.
That’s the problem - if we adamantly adopted this, it would solve the problem because it reinforces that ALL individuals are citizens, regardless of their occupation.
Instead, we have fracturing among 2A supporters who get so caught up in the “disarming cops” argument that they fail to see that they’re creating the police state that they are so adamantly against. By definition, allowing the police any rights the citizenry does not is the creating of a police state (and tyranny, according to Jefferson).
Personally, I’m not anti-LEO in the least; what I’m against is individuals in positions of authority who place their occupations above the supreme law of the land, the Constitution. Any LEO, soldier, or person in any public office who puts individual safety over liberty is violating the very principles they’re supposed to uphold and enforce. I refuse to support or comply with those who themselves will not comply with the law that governs them.
Stand together or die alone.
Stop the “us vs them” mantra. This isnt anti-leo no matter how you spin it. This is anti 2A infringement. Let the mods police us on this forum, no one has yet to say anti-leo anything in this thread.
Agreed. I don’t like to see another thread pitting members against one another and I don’t see much of a future for this one.
But law enforcement leaders in NY screwed the pooch when they backed this legislation and are likely to garner little sympathy from civilian gun owners who were enthusiastically thrown under the bus.
So should gun makers stop selling to everyone even non leo’s in New York including the guns that are still legal?
This thread was clearly designed to be an Anti LEO thread. Like I have said before 2 wrongs don’t make a right. I am as made at the State Police heads in New York that backed this bill as anyone here. But its not right to want to punish those in harms way.
Pat
Fuck it, NM.
Just wait until they take away your guns. And since the citizenry will probably have been disarmed at that point, you will be but a tiny minority and the general populace will rejoice to finally disarm you and make you equal with them. That isn’t my opinion, by the way - that’s what happened in England.
This is not anti-LEO, this is about making laws apply unilaterally so that people get a reality check and realize the grievous decisions that are being made before it’s too late. If it puts you in harms way, guess what? It puts countless others there as well. You should not consider yourself so outside of the law that you should not endure what those under you are subjected to.
Again I don’t want them taking anyone’s guns away and I would not follow an order to disarm my fellow citizens. I understand the anger here I feel it too. I just think it needs to be re-directed. This is theoretical anyway. It is highly unlikely that gun companies will turn down millions in orders for NY departments.
Pat
I think it would send a clear message to other states that are thinking about this horse shit.
This is a great idea and I fully support it. Ban the police to 7 round mags as well. And make sure their guns are locked up in a safe place, at all times.
Why would I support arming the people who want to disarm me, and the very people we have guns to defend ourselves against in first place?
Gee…it’s 1776…let’s arm the British so they can take our guns! :rolleyes:
Just because you are a cop doesn’t mean you aren’t doing the tyrants work for them. The regard for yourself and your profession people have goes away the second you start doing their dirty work, and are on the tip of the spear to handing over the country to the tyrannical politicians.
As it turns out, several politicians cited NYS law enforcement as providing the recommendations for the gun ban. Therefore NYS LE has lost any regard anyone should have for their profession, and can no longer be viewed in a positive light. Not only did they provide the recommendations of what to ban but now they are also going to be the ones who enforce it. Any NYS LE who does not find another line of work is saying they approve of what they are being tasked to do, and do not deserve the respect most LE does.
It’s only a matter of time, once the registry gets filled up, NYS LE will be confiscating people’s guns. They do not deserve the respect most LE does, and I would fully support firearms manufacturers refusing to arm people who are no doubt being poised to start widespread firearms confiscation.
I am anti-LE who support gun bans and will be confiscating firearms in the next few years. I would have a lot more respect for other LEO’s who do not stick up for those who are in the same profession but do the dirty work of tyrants in other parts of the nation.
I’m certainly not anti Law Enforcement, in fact I have been accused many times of being too pro-LE, however enough is enough. LEOs are civilians, if LE will allow themselves to be used by politicians to enforce laws that “we” all agree violate constitutional rights, and even endanger the public, and break the very oath taken by the LEOs, then absolutely the manufacturers should exercise their rights and refuse to supply constitutional violators.
Is it not OK that both WY and TX have laws running through their houses that would make it a felony for Federal LE who try to enforce new laws that violate 2A rights?
No one here wants LEOs to be put in any danger, (and they always have the option to simply walk off the job), but that is exactly what has happened to the people of NY, and those who would enforce these unconstitutional laws would call foul if someone cut off their supply, that is hypocrisy!! The intent of the idea posted is not to endanger police, but to shine a light on the hypocrisy and effect change and a reversal of the draconian laws that have just been passed.
Even with a family to support, I have walked away from employment on principle, not once but three times in my life, and yes it cost me money, but money I can make again, a loss of my integrity is much more costly. If I was told to enforce laws in direct violation of people’s rights I wouldn’t need to have a manufacturer stop supplying me, I would stop supplying my labor to the politicians.
Cameron
Thank You…
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Agreed. Guys what people seem to forget here is we should all be on the same side. Threads like this divide us when they go downhill. You will never make everyone happy. If someone mention LEOs in a thread there are those who will wholly support LE and those who say we are all citizens and screw anyone who thinks they’re special.
Bottom line, plain and simple, we use to have a GD LEO thread policy and if a few don’t line out their attitudes ON BOTH SIDES of the argument we can reimplement that policy.
I’m frankly fed up with reading this ban thread and that ban thread where we are pissing and moaning at each other. These are precarious times and we need a united front not splintered factions.
That’s about the nicest warning I can deliver.