SHOT Day 2&3 - Sig P290, P210, Enhanced Elites; Ruger LC9, Kimber Solo 9mm

Sorry for not posting this last night, I had it all typed up then my “free high speed internet” crapped out on me and I lost it all. So, here goes some more observations:

Sig:
-P290: size and weight are decent, good sights, feels good in the hand. The trigger is nothing to write home about - I’m guessing it runs about 8-9 pounds (probably towards the upper end of that), so even though it’s smooth, I’m worried about being able to hold the sights steady through a quick pull on such a light gun. There’s also an odd “false reset” about 1/3 of the way forward - an audible and tactile “click” that, for the life of me, feels just like the first DAK reset. Unfortunately, it’s just there to mind-f*** you, if you pull the trigger again from that point, nothing happens. You have to release the trigger all the way out to get it to reset. Even more interesting, there’s no double strike capability - the action of the reciprocating slide “precocks” the hammer slightly - without this precocking, the trigger is dead. So, Sig has managed to design a long-pull, external-hammer fired DAO without second strike capability. BRAVO! Last observation is that Sig molded a “positioning ramp” on the inside of the trigger guard, to keep “novice” shooters from placing their fingers too low on the trigger. While this sounds like a great idea in a sales pitch, I can tell you that my size “L” gloved finger would NEVER fit into that trigger guard with that “ramp” in place…
-P226/P229 Enhanced Elites - these pistols give me some hope that Sig isn’t a completely dead entity in the serious firearms game. If you haven’t seen them, these pistols mate the “Elite” beavertail frame with the “E2” grip and the SRT DA/SA trigger. Ergonomics are exceptional! I prefer the balance and “feel” of the P226, but the P229 uses the “E2” series slide - which is stainless but contoured like a P228s - and really improves the overall feel of the smaller pistol in the hand. The double action triggers on all the “Enhanced Elite” models I tried (which, I’m pretty sure, was every “enhanced elite” on the floor) was significantly improved from recent Sig production - I’d guess somewhere around 10-12 pounds, but smooth with no catches or creep, and a clean, crisp break. The SRT’s reset is fantastic, and SA is very nice. All in all, if I had to carry a Sig, this is the model I’d want, and I wouldn’t feel at all under-equipped.
-P210 - yep, it’s back, and it’s still awesome. If you’ve got a LOT of money to spend on a single stack, single action 9mm, and you don’t want a 1911, this could be for you. I don’t fall in either category, so I didn’t spend a lot of time with this…
-Rainbow titanium special unobtanium editions - hells yes, there were plenty. This is still, after all, Sig…

Ruger LC9 - or, as I like to call it “the next pistol I’ll never buy…”
-Size - about the same as a Keltec P11, only slimmer (I’m not familiar with the PF9, so I can’t make a direct comparison)
-Trigger - about 8#, a little gritty, long. Same problem with the P290 - has a false reset point (though it’s a lot less pronounced). With the LC9, if you catch this false reset, the trigger jams solid, no amount of yanking will move it rearward. I imagine that could be disconcerting in a gunfight…
-Sights - nominally OK, but they look easy enough to replace if/when you want night sights
-Safety - small, sharp and stiff - not a great combination…
-Grip - possible contender for worst grip ever designed, IMHO. The backstrap is nicely rounded and slim - a good start. Then, about 1/2" forward of the backstrap, there’s a concave scallop, and the forward 3/4" of the grip is barely wider than a single stack 9mm magazine. The result - instead of swelling nicely into the curve of your hand, like a 1911 grip, or being a slab-side contact point in the palm of your hand, like the PM9, you have air between your palm and the gun. That’s right - no contact between the gun and your hand except the immediate vicinity of the backstrap and frontstrap. I’m sure someone will tell me how this increases the aerodynamics of the grip and makes it harder to detect in your pocket, but, for me, I say yech.

Kimber: I didn’t even start trying to work through the 1,001 versions of the 1911 that Kimber has, we all know them and love them or hate them, based on past experience. I really gravitated to the Solo 9mm instead:
-Size - pretty darned close to the PM9, though, obviously heavier given the alloy frame (vice polymer).
-Sights - decent three-dot sights that look like they’d be easy to drift off and replace with NS when those become available
-Trigger - pretty nice - about 6-7 pounds, VERY smooth, no stacking, clean break. Pull is medium-long, and reset is all the way out at the start of the pull. There is no appreciable “reset” point - no tactile or audible indication that the trigger is reset, so you really just have to release the trigger the whole way
-Safety - ambidextrous and nicely contoured, very positive in engagement/disengagement, and just about right in the amount of force required to disengage. If I felt like I had to have a compact pistol with a safety, I’d want one very much like this.
-Magazine release - shaped like a traditional 1911 release, but mirrored on both sides of the pistol for ambidextrous use. There’s no serration to either side, and the part is “melted” so it’s very smooth. My concern would be that the spring seemed fairly “soft” from either direction, so I’m not sure there won’t be issues with magazines inadvertently dropping, especially in tight pocket holsters or IWB carry.
-Grip - felt very good in the hand, very nicely contoured and comfortable. Unfortunately, for some reason, Kimber decided to put NO texture of any kind on the front of back straps of this pistol, so I can’t help but think that it’s going to be VERY slick in sweaty hands.
-Overall I think this is the “nicest” of the pocket pistols revealed this year, but, due to the weight and the slick grip, I don’t think my PM9 has anything to worry about…

Regards,

Kevin

Thanks kjdoski.
Great review.
(I’m kinda sad that ruger decided to follow Taurus’s mistake and
go with the righty only manual safety on the new LC9)

S&W has their 2011 catalog online now and looks like next year on their single stack 9mm, so let’s hope they don’t do the same with the
righty only man. safety. (i’m guessing they will because they did with
their “bodyguard”)
Thanks for the heads up with that trigger and sounds like another gun
i’m not going to be buying also.

Again,
Thanks kjdoski.

Did you see this? Looks like they’re bound and determined to put the anti-Ruger shit behind them.

“The New 22/45 Threaded Barrel models allow owners to attach an assortment of muzzle accessories to one of America’s favorite rimfire handguns, the popular Ruger 22/45RP rimfire pistol. Both models feature a 4.5 inch, factory ½-28 thread barrel, which accepts many popular muzzle accessories. When not using a special application attachment, the threaded barrel and barrel crown are protected by a muzzle cap.”

“The 22/45PRRP model (10149) comes without sights and features a Picatinny rail on top of the receiver for mounting optics. A shorter Picatinny rail is mounted on the bottom of the barrel for attaching lights, lasers and other accessories. The second model (10150) features a fixed rear sight and Partridge-style front sight. The receiver is drilled and tapped to accept a Weaver-style scope adapter (available at ShopRuger.com) so shooters can mount a variety of optics on the pistol.”

Bill’s got to be spinning like a top…

I had high hopes for the P290. I’ll have to get one in my hands to try of course, but it doesn’t sound promising.

Yep, disappointing. Since I can only carry Sigs on duty, I had hoped that Sig had come up with a 9mm subcompact pistol that was smaller and lighter than the P239 with similary performance and reliability. However, the initial observations from the front don’t look good. I guess I’ll have to settle for the German designed P232 for a ultra light subcompact for now.

Where are you seeing info on a single stack 9mm?

I think kjdoski nailed the 290. It could have been so much better. When I held one in my hand Tuesday it did not “speak to me” at all.

The 226/229 Advanced Elite models were very good.

Still too much bling at the SIG booth for my taste.

No small Ruger in my future either.

Mark

Damn, I had high hopes for the P290 too. Oh well, looks like my S&W 940 won’t be retired quite yet.

I’m not surprised to hear about the triggers on the new SIGs. My wifes new P239 SAS w/ SRT has an excellent trigger. The best that I have felt on a SIG.

Appreciate the personal experience in your reports.

Well done!

I think that they might be trying to reduce the trigger pull before release. Because Sig put the pull weight, 9lbs, on their website a couple of days before SHOT, and pulled it less than a day later.

My question is will they find a way to fuck up the P210s reputation?

Grant talked VERY briefly here with a :wink: that they are working on one.
but there is a discussion over at M&P (hope it’s ok to name them as MANY here are members here and there)
Again take it as you would with pretty much anything you read on these interwebs discussion forums that don’t get you’re heart set
on something you hear (and sometimes see) until you, yourself get
to hold it in you’re hand and do what you will with it.

Not sure about you guys but when i get to hold a new firearm i’m
thinking about spending my hard earned money on, there is a very fine
line between “inspect” and “molest”. :sarcastic: