Just a random general question… For most of this carbine / AR community, is it mostly all geared for semi-automatics? I was watching some of the magpul dynamic vids and all rifles on there seem to be semi. Is the carbine used by LEO’s (patrol rifle) and civilians mostly always running semi-auto only?
Where and when would you like to see the application of full-auto fire?
All rifles and carbines whether military, police, or civilian are mostly run on semi.
Full auto = full retard.
It may look cool and all, but auto fire is inherently inaccurate compared to well aimed and controlled single fire shots.
This. There is a time and place for it, but I highly doubt I’d ever need it in my life.
I have however shot full and burst Ars. It’s fun to be be able to say I’ve done it, but I’ve never trained with it and honestly it’s annoying (to me).
I had the oppurtunity to shoot a full-auto suppressed SCAR in 308 today. I passed, looking at it was enough for me.
There is a video somewhere on youtube that shows the big disadvantage of full auto vs. semi. Showed how hard it is to hit a human size target with the barrel walking in full auto.
I thinks most Mil “full auto ARs” are 3 round bursts?
Spray and pray is only a waste of ammo.
Having never fired full auto I would like to here from the guys that do own NFA rifles.
We run semi auto for our patrol rifles. I have one full auto in our safe. I don’t know why we have it. It rarely leaves the safe, and then only for some range work. It was purchased before I took over our patrol rifle program. Semi is where it’s at.
The M4 is 3 rd burst, the M4A1 is Auto :big_boss:
Thanks guys, ya just a random question. I’m more wondering what the majority owns… semi or F/A. I can see how full auto is pretty stupid for any real world use. I guess my general question is whenever you look and see a policeman with a carbine patrol rifle or when people take carbine classes… are those rifles themselves usually semi-auto only? Whats the majority of people on here running / owning?
Since the Hughes Amendment in '86 severely restricted the availability of fully automatic weapons, most people simply do not have the option of owning a fully automatic M-16/AR-15.
It sounds like a great idea to have a fully automatic weapon, right up until you get some trigger time with one.
ejewels, the other thing to keep in mind is that civilian ownership of full auto AR carbine/rifles is limited to those with the $$$$$$$ to pay the entrance fee or the correct licenses from the government to manufacture them. Since I do not have a federal license, the only full autos avaliabe to me would be pre 86 lowers, and they are well out of my price range, as well as most others. As such, everyone on civilian side pretty much runs semi-auto. I can’t speak for LE. But, as other have stated, full auto is a pointless waste for serious work.
Almost all of my military and police time has been spent firing semi auto, but I know few ways to more decisively end a close range gun battle than a full auto M-4…
The majority of privately owned ARs are semi. Keep in mind that owning a full auto AR usually entails a very large outlay of cash (I just checked a Class III dealer on the web, M16s are averaging $24,000), and the associated NFA paperwork. It isn’t like you just walk into a gun shop and can choose between auto and semi.
As much as we all wish that was the case, because F/A is pretty cool, and awesome if you have a source of cheap .308 (M240 if the '86 ban is ever pulled, I’m holding out for it), full-auto is almost impossible for anyone non-LE/.Mil to get.
In very few cases is a full-auto combat rifle applicable, of course. Semi is the way to go in most situations.
I must disagree. From my experience, full auto works very well against moving vehicles trying to run you over. Great attitude adjuster when dealing with hostile brick throwing crowds. Lastly, it can be helpful for breaking contract.
Never used it very much, be was a nice option to have.
Here is a video of how I shoot full auto…
I should have clarified my original post. Sure, there are instances and circumstances, just like the ones you pointed out, where FA fire does make sense and has a purpose.
But I’m sure that you would agree that in most circumstances single auto fire make more sense.
There are some applications where auto is VERY handy when it is the flick of a switch away.
Most of these do not apply to domestic use.
It requires training in application and technique.
For most uses, properly applied rapid aimed semi-automatic fire is a better choice.
Absolutely. Besides the accuracy problem, you are using up ammo very quickly that you might need later.
I’ll echo F2S and the Ninja. Full auto does have it’s place, but obviously not in the civilian world (I am not saying they shouldn’t own them, but aside from burning through ammo the benefit would be lost) unless it is coming to an end.
Full auto can be controlled with the correct technique and shooting in short bursts. I don’t know where someone saw 24K but I have seen several listed for 12-15K.
+1. I have no desire to own F.A
Either on my H.D weapon or SHTF.
Im proficient because I train with my rifles how they are…in Semi-Auto