An accomplished martial artist went out of his way to help a mistress in distress and got knifed.
Note how unaware he was on general self defense.
For an “expert,” he did a ton of stupid shit. Stupid assumptions, such as thinking a bad guy is intimidated by your size, or your gun is a good way to end up dead. Turning your back on him, 3 times, is another good way to go.
His hand surgeon comment was über douchey as well.
I find it is best to just shoot the person with a knife and call it a day. It seemed a little hokey to me. :rolleyes:
agreed Doc, Shoot first ask questions later…I would shoot someone who came at me with a 2x4, or a tire-iron…If they have full intentions on harming my family or I, then its a no brainier… I rather have 12 people judging me in court then 6 people carrying my casket!!
Having been the recipient of 3 knife wounds, one pretty serious I just figure I am too old and tired to survive a fourth so from here on out you get shot…I don’t care if your coming at me with a spork!
There has been training in the LE community for years about the “21 foot rule”. If someone has an edged weapon and is within 21 feet, you’re going to get cut if attacked.
Studies are often done and video shown comparing someone attempting to draw and fire vs. someone lunging 21 feet and cutting.
The accepted response to an edged weapon attack within 21 feet is lethal force, ie: shoot them. This would be my self defense to an attack against edged weapons.
I have only met a couple of individuals over the years who had extensive training with knife fighting. They both felt that if ever in an actual fight blade vs. blade, that they expect to get cut at some point during the encounter.
While I hate movie references, I’m reminded of the Indiana Jones movie where the guy with the turban yells as he twirls his sword. Indiana Jones looks at him in a rather bored manner, then draws his revolver and shoots the guy twirling the sword.
Just shoot the bastard…
The point I wish to recall is despite his dumb actions, and in all the cases I remember, the victim of a stabbing/slashing/cutting attack never sees the knife.
Hence, you might not have the space/time to apply the 21(or 28) feet rule.
While I hate movie references, I’m reminded of the Indiana Jones movie where the guy with the turban yells as he twirls his sword. Indiana Jones looks at him in a rather bored manner, then draws his revolver and shoots the guy twirling the sword.
It was really just a threat. I agree that it might justify a fear for your live or grave bodily harm, but it might not.
I would shoot as well.
All of this
What a Douche. The “accomplished martial artist” suffered from delusions of grandeur, thought he was a certified “bad ass”, and got what he deserved. He’s lucky to have survived the encounter. Lessons learned?: Shoot the mother fucker.
Live and learn… Always bring a gun to a knife fight.
In all of the training I’ve ever had, it was always stressed that you don’t actually “win” a knife fight, you just try to live through it without getting too badly damaged.
^^^ Unless your fighting some half ass kid who dont know what hes doing and hesitates about his intentions,or your playing a role in a movie,there is pretty much no winner of a knife fight.There is life and there is death.
I have trained in combat all my life.USSF and martial arts,i have been cut in almost every knife encounter.
I’ve done one form or another of martial arts since I was 5, and during the past 8 years have trained with top friends of mine who are police combative and firearms instructors as well as 20+ years of Army service each. In college I ‘played’ with some of the guys who were hard into the MMA bullshit, most either want to box or wrestle, I have major issues with each since boxing is gives no real fight training other then how to take a hit and as soon as you drop into a boxing stance bare knuckled you are more or less going to lose, sorry but this example is much easier to show then explain, and wrestling is okay one on one but against multiple adversaries its suicide which I why I believe the Army is pulling away from how they are training ground combative. Also, in my experience, most of these MMA guys have a hard time not playing by the rules and are shocked when the notion of fighting dirty enters the equation from a street fight situation. My training is that given the option I am going to use the least amount of effort to end the fight with the least amount of harm to myself, which means if you have a weapon or I think you have a weapon you are getting shot, if i can’t get to my gun then I am going to use my training to either gain distance so i can shoot you, or I am going to use whatever I can to end the fight as quickly as possible, spit, gouge, grab, rip, tear, I’ll go for knees, balls, eyes, ears, whatever, I am going home I don’t care about the perp and I am not trying to look fancy. Besides I don’t believe in anything like a fair fight, but then a lot of guys seem to have the inflated ideas of glory and have a rather peculiar aversion to fighting dirty, women though…they generally have less of an aversion, once you can get them to throw a punch.
Long point short, train to use not only you firearm but also your hands and other tools to defend yourself. And by the gods don’t fight fair and end the fight as quickly as possible. That said, their is no way to train to mind set that this entails, at least not in what I have been able to see, you have to want to win and go home at night.
That’s because basic human nature intercedes and they focus on the face. The face is a very limited threat. The hands are the threat, watch the hands. If you can’t see the hands, you are at risk. You can still issue commands and hear what’s being communicated without watching their gums flap. 
Hands kill so I always demand that anyone who has their hands concealed or blocked from view to make them visible immediately when I arrive on a job. Anyone refusing is consider armed and is dealt with accordingly.
During drills using Sim’s munitions I was barely able to shoot the knife armed assailant from a duty holster draw at 21 feet. Thats two rounds fired using the speed rock draw firing as soon as the barrel is leveled out of the holster. If done correctly its the fastest way to put rounds on target but I have seen more then one holster retaining strap shot off as people were learning the technique.
On a surprise knife attack if your gun is in a pants pocket, waist bag or on a ankle rig most likely your getting cut numerous times before your ever able to attempt a draw from those locations.
In a surprise knife attack you need to take the knife out of the picture before you can do anything else. If he I going sewing machine on your ass, you may bleed out before you ever getting your weapon. I would also suggest learning to shoot from a proper And SAFE number two. It’s just as fast as rocking out of the holster and it’s consistent. Meaning, you know where your rounds will go. I don’t want to tell you how to do your job, this is just how I was trained. My couple of classes don’t make me an expert, this is just my take on a situation.
Beat me too it. What makes knives dangerous is not knowing there there. Yes its also true if you have a knife in your hand and if my gun is in my holster your going to be a serious theat from 7 yards and in. Hell even past that. But put a gun in my hand and a knife if yours things will not play out the same. In that 1.5 seconds it takes you to get to me you will have at least 6 helpings of lead to slow you down.
In the clinch I’m probably going to try and cut the guy off me while using my head and feet to deliver strikes. If I can trap the knife arm, I’m gonna filet it.
If he has a knife, I want that guy off me NOW, and going for a holstered gun probably isn’t the way to do it. If I was in the process of drawing when he crawled up on me, then I’ll shoot from the 2 and I’ll be doing my best sewing machine impression as I do it. The speed rock is for an assailant that’s almost on you, but many people do it wrong. The muzzle should only extend out far enough to keep you from shooting yourself if he tries to turn you into the muzzle.
My school of thought has always been “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”.
[QUOTE=Kain;1206477]most of these MMA guys have a hard time not playing by the rules and are shocked when the notion of fighting dirty enters the equation from a street fight situation.
don’t believe in anything like a fair fight, but then a lot of guys seem to have the inflated ideas of glory and have a rather peculiar aversion to fighting dirty
don’t fight fair and end the fight as quickly as possible.[QUOTE]
You hit the nail right on the head.I dont remember what manufacturer,but there is a gun commercial that says “If you show up for a fair fight,your not prepared.”