Scuba divers, beginners tips?

Anything Suunto is solid kit. You can’t go wrong with a Vyper and your buddies will be able to teach you how to you use it.

The only real limitations to a snap shackle are cost and using it with a 5-7mm glove. Really, all the cave divers/DIR types all recommended the standard snap links; they are simple, cheap, and all springs eventually rust. No reason to spend funds on a snap shackle to carry an SMB and reel. Also, as far as carrying the SMB on just a snap link, I do this all the time. There’s no problem with it. I usually clip it to a D-ring I have on my weight belt directly at 6 o’clock, so it rides right under the tank and NEVER even has a chance to snag on anything.

I bought a “light sock” for my light. It’s basically a glove that mounts to your palm and holds the light in top back of your hand. These are especially nice because you maintain the ability to use both hands during the dive. I only use this when going on a night dive.

On SMB’s. There’s no reason to spend $100’s dollars on one. The Piranha ones work just fine. You want to spend $100’s on a device, buy a beacon.
There is literally a big difference between what people refer to as a “safety sausage” or signal tube and a DSMB. The SS provides no real lift ability and is purely intended for current dives in calm seas. Most are only 3-4’ tall and only 2-3" in diameter. People use these to have the boat locate them easily.
Don’t waste money on a SS when you can spend the money on a DSMB that is only slightly larger but adds much more uses.

One note on color. You will notice most DSMB’s come in Orange and Neon Yellow. Apparently some international locations recognize the Neon Yellow as an emergency signal to those on the surface. I could only really see this being an issue on a decompression dive where things are very high risk. So, just stick with orange unless you plan to carry two. Yes, I realize some people sell them with a yellow and orange side; again, pure yellow is the “help me I’m phuked” signal.

Some of the newer SMB’s are coming with glint tape or reflective tape; same stuff on all your running shoes and clothing. This is a nice feature. There are also some out there with metallic fabric to be radar reflective but I’m not sure how well the would work.

One thing to look for in an SMB is a D-Ring or some sort of attachment on top. You can connect a strobe (also a good product to carry into the ocean) or a chem-light. A green chem-light can be seen at night through NOD’s a long way off and they don’t need batteries (also a good thing to carry into the ocean). It’s a big advantage to have your night time signal device 8’ above the water especially in a choppy sea.

With my 8’ ocean model from Piranha, I removed the bottom plastic clip and put a stainless steel quick linkin it’s place. I attach my line to that metal link using a girth hitch secured by a double over-hand. Make sure the loop is big enough to slide the whole SMB through for easy separation if needed.
Also attached to the metal link is a waterproof signal mirror (keep a whistle attached to a shoulder strap D-ring).

Reels and line: Get it from Piranha, excellent prices. I usually get yellow or orange line. Reason is, so other dumbass divers don’t swim into it and it’s easier to see when you are narced :wink:

Keep 'em coming man. This is getting me stoked to go diving this year.

*I wish I was home I could get you guys better pics of stuff.

I have to admit I am intrigued by all of the gear stuff. I am pretty minimalist, but I like that and it works for me.

coming at it from the instructor angle I look at guns in comparison :slight_smile:

when I see pics of a LV class it seems he is pretty basic simple some of his students are pretty decked out compared to him
seems maybe over time you really have a chance to know what works for you and realize extra is often just that and gets in the way

I somehow think both guns diving climbing anything these days is over hyped with gear to some point
and the sales and sponsors and such know how to market more gear to seem to make it better safer and such ? to a point it is but also to a point its selling the stuff IMHO at least

often on dives at more closed locations like Molokini crater or Cathedrals etc… I dove the main spots 5-6 days a week for years so know every rock and creature and even had some fish I named cause I saw them all the time :slight_smile:
but I would get folks loading up with all this stuff and it was kinda like OK you wont need this or that and take those gloves off and leave that here to
and often that is what most folks do is dive on vacation with guides of some kind ?
now if you are off exploring your own and doing caves etc… that is a whole other thing and support is critical but even some I think over gear for that and sometimes I do think that gear makes them one of two things
over confident or encumbered
having 10 dives vs 100 vs 1000 vs 10,000 after about 1000 dives things kinda flatten out with skills and learning but its amazing how much you learn up to that point and get better and often you are in enough situations you learn what is needed and how to use it

reminds me of Band of Brothers when they talked about that jump bag and how most lost their guns and such and the next jumps you saw them taking their rifles out out and what was needed by the old guys saying Ok do this do that leave that you wont need it etc…

Well, I’m certified! Couldn’t help myself so I’m doing a night dive tonight to start on Advanced!

I’ll have a full report later, but some of the more educational points, orally inflating my BCD made a world of difference in my ability to fine tune my buoyancy. Seriously, night and day how much faster it was to get neutral. Bottom time has been 43 on the short end, 47 on the long end for all my dives. The instructor was very happy considering I had never dived before and I have pretty big lungs. As much as people say that navigation is difficult and it’s night and day different, I actually found it remarkably easy. After 100 kick cycles I made it back with 5 feet of the instructor. Having the ability to navigate on land was a huge help. My buddy did 20 kick cycles and ended up 40 feet away. The instructor didn’t teach the squared arm technique, more the center of your body that Honu mentioned in an earlier post. It’s not rocket surgery, you just have to pay attention to the orientation between the compass and your body. It was easy to correct course headings, and I’m looking forward to the actual nav class.

More later after my night dive. Also, grouper get FUCKING HUGE!!!

CONGRATS !!!

and post back about the night dive !! I love night diving something so cool about being so focused on what you are seeing and sometimes you feel like you are really exploring a new world out in the dark of space when doing so :slight_smile:

chances are again if you are here on this forum your nav skills might be a bit more up than some folks ? general observation of course :slight_smile:

glad he taught the more centered approach :slight_smile:

wait till you get the rare chance to have a humpack whale come up to you those are HUGE !!!

Alright, post-cert & night dive AAR time!!!

So, final 2 dives to finish the cert were pretty standard. I was really trying to concentrate on my buoyancy and I did pretty well. My SAC rate was pretty much in line with how it’s been so I was pleased. Generally the skills were all pretty easy. Nailed the buddha at 12m because of the orally inflated BCD I mentioned earlier. Wore a 5mm suit for both dives today as I got a couple chills the other day. BIG MISTAKE. Had to add more weight and the extra thickness was far more limiting than the 3mm I had worn the day before. I was concerned as the book mentioned being cold, but I realized as I was fighting the wetsuit that it wasn’t really enough that I had to swap suits.

Safety stop was far better both dives than prior. Started ascent by dumping my BCD with the overflow valve and I think that probably helped prevent a more runaway ascent. It’s a little disconcerting sticking around for 3 minutes surrounded by jellyfish however.

That was about it, pretty standard last 2 dives. Saw lots of fish, morays, lionfish and stonefish, etc.

One thing I neglected to mention before, and something I hadn’t considered until it made my life a pain, snorkels with crappy purge valves suck balls, specifically salt watery balls right into your lungs when you’re doing the surface swim. Boat pitched us off and we had to swim to shore. Halfway I had to stop and tread water while I recovered as the purge valve purged the wrong way and I sucked salt water big time. No harm no foul, but if you’re gonna use a snorkel, don’t use a crappy one.

More gear talk then onto the rest. I was supposed to dive with a computer for the night dive. I did not. The other two divers had done two deep dives earlier in the day and had computers, the instructor did as well. Despite the course calling for it, because I had done only Open Water, a course in which a computer was not provided, we made the decision that, due to the other divers already under more nitrogen load than myself, and of course diving off the most conservative computer, whomever that might be, I was well within safety margins as far as executing the dive sans computer. Considering that my lack of computer during the first two dives of the day (albeit with an 8 hour surface interval in between last OW and the night) any computer I would wear would have incorrect deco limits anyway as it was not used for the first two dives. Ultimately it was my decision to ok the dive as far as I was personally concerned, I weighed the risks and felt they were well within reason so I went ahead, despite the small deviation from the course requirement. No more gear talk, aside from the torch nothing else changed.

By far the best experience so far has been the night dive. They needed one more person to fill the minimum to do a night dive and since I’m doing advanced right away, it worked out that I could do the night dive as my first. They tell you it’s stressful, but I really didn’t have any trouble with anxiety. I figure if I’m gonna get eaten by something big and hungry it’s probably best not to see it as it bites me in half so I just went with it.

First thing was adjusting to paying attention to your buoyancy. Personally I think the night dive helped me as I was able to focus on my buoyancy and my torch and that was it. I was able to divide my attention to both well enough that I could easily control my body position and still see stuff. I’m not sure the other buddy pair was as focused on this as I was as the one younger kid was all over the place, and while I tried to maintain my position about 1m up and 1m right of the guide, I was constantly fighting not to kick the kid in the face. I maintained my position relative to the instructor but on more than one occasion I felt my fin hit something of his, and several times he’d either ascend right into my legs or descend on top of me. It was frustrating but fortunately didn’t distract from the dive in any big way.

Wildlife at night is a whole other deal. Saw a lobster darting about, would have liked to have caught it, it looked delicious. Saw quite a few other little critters, shrimp, tiny fish, etc. The instructor snuck up behind a sleeping puffer fish and hit his tank banger and the fish got all puffy so that was fun to see. I doubt it’s anyway in line with PADI guidelines but it was entertaining nonetheless. One of the highlights was playing with an octopus, or rather, it playing with us. Instructor spotted it and pointed with his light. The two guys who were off behind were jockeying for position to see so I stuck my finger out to point. Well, the octopus grabbed right on and played around for a bit before hopping onto a piece of coral and changing color to camouflage itself.

There are also some pretty stupid fish. I don’t remember the name but it was swimming away and I happened to turn my light on it. It turned directly to face me, only instead of darting away, it apparently blinded itself as it ran straight into my face no less than three times before I managed to move my head. There’s no telling how many times it would have played battering ram with my mask had I not moved. Interesting experience to say the least.

Another cool visual was watching how one of the eels hunts. The thing was buried in the sand with nothing but it’s head poking out. The instructor pointed it out and at first it was hard to tell what it was, from where I was at it just looked like a shell, until he poked the sand about 2 feet back and a meter and a half long eel shot out of the sand and swam up the face of the coral and out of sight. It really was pretty amazing to see how different species interact on the bottom.

The only exercise we did was an out and back night navigation. Again I did very well and it was pretty easy and took all of about a minute.

I’m saving the best for last because it’s still sort of hard for me to put into words. I can describe what I saw, but it doesn’t really capture the feeling of what was going on and what it was like to be in the middle of it.

We kneeled down on the bottom at about 9m. We turned off our flashlights, at this point I figured the instructor was going to mess with us a bit, but au contraire mon frere! He started waving his hands then got us to join in. What we saw was like visual sex beamed right into your eyeballs. MILLIONS of bioluminescent plankton were EVERYWHERE, all around us, sparkling in and out with blue light. It was like being in a starfield, except they were moving and swirling about all around us. At one point we all just sort of paused our breathing and it was absolutely dead quiet with nothing but blue stars everywhere you could see.

This is as close a representation as I could find online, but down at 9m it isn’t a wave, it’s literally surrounding you. It really is breathtaking, and if I could have laid down on the bottom and not had to wave my arms to see it I would have spent the entire time just laying there watching it.

After that we were out of bottom time and had to ascend. Again I was far more in control of my buoyancy during the night dive, I think again because I was so focused on it without any distractions.

Here’s a picture right before our ascent on our final OW dive. My coworker is doing what she’s supposed to, I however, am clearly having more fun.

And last, it seems one critter migrated south from the Jersey Shore. I swear I heard it yelling “COME AT ME BRO!!!”

The thing you said about your crappie snorkel…

Remember my first post…

“don’t buy cheap gear”…

Tried to warn you. Lol…

sounds like you are having fun :slight_smile:

bio luminescence life is fun :slight_smile: we had a time off the tip of black rock actually totally mellow popular spot on Maui we did a lot of beach entry night dives at
anyway we go out have all the divers turn off their light and watch the glow and wave our arms around etc… then about 70 feet off toward the deep a HUGE glow goes past us I was kinda like OK that was big got out of the water and they were all asking what was that thing ?
shark :slight_smile: hahahaha turns out about a 12 foot tiger shark was cruising as some other group saw it pass them that night close enough they got a good look at it !

one thing I say about diving though you are this big bubble blowing cyclops thing making all kinds of awkward movements and noise
as I say imagine if you saw this thing flopping toward you on a trail even if it was smaller than you with some contraptions on spewing water and making strange noises ! chances are you would stay clear and just kinda watch it !

when I was working on a cattle boat and we would take out 24 divers we would tag them with two color glow sticks to mark our divers over the others
and then we would watch all the chaos from a distance :slight_smile: hahahah was funny
this was when I was in FL for a short while working on the wrecks off Ft Lauderdale
one of those have to be their kinda things :slight_smile:

You probably did. See Nitrogen Narcosis.

I didn’t. It’s all the dive shops rental gear.

I don’t buy cheap shit. I may buy inexpensive shit from time to time, but it is never “cheap”

I’m gonna get to learn all about nitrogen narcosis. I do Deep and Nitrox this week as well. I suck at math on land, I’m sure trying to do math at 30m is gonna be so much fun.

On a not so fun note, I came up here with 2 other coworkers to do the OW cert. One in the picture above was my buddy throughout the OW dives, she did fine, and is now certified. The other, her unfortunate boyfriend, got sick the first day and didn’t even make the boat. Where it gets really sucky is that he came back the second day, ended up diving with a different instructor to make up the first two, and perforated his ear drum. He had been having trouble with equalizing all throughout even the pool, but didn’t want to look like a pussy in front of his gf. Second dive of the day he couldn’t sort out his buoyancy at all and was refusing to let the instructor intervene. He should have called the dive, he didn’t, so now not only is he not certified, he spent the night in a Colombian hospital, he’s out of work for a week, and he potentially may never dive again, depending on the severity. It’s far easier to abort one dive and come back to finish, than hurt yourself and maybe never have the opportunity again.

in all my dives only been narced once ?
was kinda like being on nitrous at the dentist office ?

we were up all night at a party and had to work the next day and it was a deep wreck dive over 100 feet and I knew what was going on so just tried to enjoy it :slight_smile: but went away pretty quick also was early on in my diving not sure if that had anything to do with it or not ?

funny as some people get narced all the time
and I have only had it once even at 200 on air (not smart) never got narced again

ditto the ear thing
funny story
one of the other dive guys when we were getting our instructor rating was this Brazilian guy he was hilarious and had this super thick accent of course and good but not great English

anyway he hurt his ear and he showed up after doc visit to the hangout and points to his ear says in his broken thick accent
Doctor say not so good I have rupture ear drum !
ahhhhh its OK I dive tomorrow !
dude finished out his instructor glass with a ruptured ear drum !!!
healed OK and he kept diving

I think this is one of the differences of PADI vs. NAUI. I almost completed a PADI course when I was getting started and had to move, and then got certified via NAUI.

In the PADI course, I found that they were much more focused on how to do something as opposed to the why. Nitrogen narcosis was covered in depth in my basic NAUI, whereas it was only briefly mentioned in PADI.

Things like buoyancy control were very different as well. In PADI the course was focused on how to achieve neutral buoyancy, in NAUI it included a couple of hours on Boyle’s Law and the Archimedes principle.

I also found that as I progressed in my own training and in talking to other divers that the organization mattered less than the instructor him or herself.

This isn’t meant to knock PADI and promote NAUI, they both seem to get divers to a place of competence and safety, but they do seem to go about it in slightly different ways.

I was certified in PADI, and we covered these items in depth (no pun intended). I am certified in OW, Advanced OW, Deep and Rescue Diver. The more I progressed the more work it became and less enjoyable so I dropped my ambition to become a Dive Master and Instructor and went back to the enjoyable side of things.

With that said, it was a totally different world when I was certified. Today and for the last decade or two they are pushing the weekend certifications. When I was first certified our manual was, if I remember correctly, six chapters long. We had a class once a week that covered each chapter. Each class was two hours of class room work and two hours of pool work. When I compare this training to the training several of my later dive buddies did years later, well, there is no comparison. I was so much better trained than the weekenders that there really is no comparison. I realize they are making the cert classes easier and faster to draw more people in but the level of training sucks compared to my class, and IMO the safety level is diminished as well.

On a side note, I was such a “natural” at it that the instructors took me on my first OW dive (which was also a night dive) after only three classes or half way through our training. I will not divulge any names as they said it could cost them their permits if this was discovered. I’m not sure it would matter at this point though as I think they have since retired.

My point of this is, I feel safety and a higher level of training have been sacrificied to pump up the volume of divers. It has, in a sense, become commericalized.

My old shop used to really push these new divers to hook up with us experienced divers for them to pick up their skill levels before striking out on their own, so to speak.

I’d like to here what you guys think of this based on your own personnel experiences. Is this better, worse or what? Are my conclusions accurate or off base?

I have narced a couple times, both in a chamber. Easy to fix, fun to experience…there, in a chamber. Not so much in the briny depth. Learn solid math skills so you can do them at depth should something go bad…

Diving is a combination of situational awareness, physics in action, and being ahead of the curve. Not hard to master with experience.

Lion fish ceviche was on the menu tonight. Apparently if there are no afternoon dives a couple of the instructors go lion fish hunting as they are an invasive species around here. It was delicious and does a little bit to help the local ecosystem. Normally I have an aversion to scuba spearfishing, I feel like it’s sort of cheating, but I don’t mind this.

Anyway, I’ve been invited along later this week to join so we’ll see how that goes after my Deep, Nav, EANx, and Peak Performance Buoyancy.

After that I’ll do MultiLevel, but I’ll still have time after so I’m not quite sure what else I want to do development wise, so I may just do a couple fun dives. Not sure what else they offer but I figure until I go for Rescue Diver later on after a couple hundred dives, I’ll just do random cool stuff.

In the evolution of gear discussion, Dave L has provided some great advice so far. At the end of this little adventure I’m going to make a list of all the recommendations people have provided to help me decide both what I need and what I don’t, but also preferred brands that can narrow down my choices. Anyway, a couple gear questions that might be more pertinent to my immediate upcoming dives.

Anyone have any recommendations for compasses? Features? Direct or Indirect? Suunto? Oceanic? Does anybody make a backlit compass for scuba use? I never hike without a compass as a backup to my GPS, I feel like underwater the same should apply.

Slates, I like the idea of a multi-page wrist slate. Worthwhile? I really like the idea of having any pertinent info readily available. I figure it’s not nearly as obtrusive as a regular slate and I’d really only use it for pertinent information. It would have been nice to take some notes about stuff during the dives, I think I’d like to do that from now on. Especially trying to remember some of the fish, navigational info, or details about certain exercises that I’d like to improve on in the future, etc. I also would have liked to have asked questions, or remembered questions to ask later, and if I had the ability it would have been helpful. If anyone has better recommendations than the wrist slates I’d love to hear them. Underwater bluetooth ipad communications anybody?

Dive knives!!! What’s the best dive knife to fend off an underwater shark attack? I can always get a bigger boat, but that doesn’t solve the problem of being face-to-face with an angry maneater, out for blood and with a taste of human flesh, just waiting to use it’s rows of razor sharp teeth to tear my flesh from my bones!!!..Or what’s the best place to put a set of EMT shears? Do most people just throw a set in their BCD or shorts? It seems like they’d be far more useful for entanglement hazards and the like than waving around a pig sticker 18m down. These are down on the list but I figured with how cheap they are it’s worth considering pickup up a dedicated pair sooner rather than later. The combination knives/shears look like a silly gimmick. Does anybody really use those? They seem like a failure waiting to happen, not to mention potentially dangerous if you’re lacking manual dexterity for whatever reason.

I really don’t want to get weighed down by gear, and would definitely like to take a minimalist approach, but at some point I will no longer be diving with an instructor, and would like at least the minimums that will safely allow me to keep requisite information, and safely help myself or my buddy in any situation that might arise. I doubt every guide is necessarily as well trained as an instructor.

So, my grandiose idea, I figured computer or watch (for use with a table’d dive), compass, slate, and shears would be a good minimalist setup to cover my bases. This would be after my own mask since thus far that seems to be my biggest issue with the rental stuff. Feel free to tell me if even that is overkill. Obviously up until now I haven’t used any of the sort, but the instructors seem to have these as a minimum, except at times the compass which I feel comes more from familiarity with the local dive sites, and that they’d have them if they were diving in a less familiar place.

I think part of the idea, like in the post below yours, is that PADI is really pushing for the weekend certification-type divers from a commercial standpoint. They, for the most part will do shallow dives off a cattle boat doing touristy things. Those types of people will be far less concerned with the why than the how, and for them it probably doesn’t matter much. At an assembly plant, all the dude has to know is to tighten the bolt to 30 ft. lbs. He doesn’t need to know why that torque value is specified, or really even what it’s purpose it, just that he has to do it this way because that’s what’s called for. For most of those weekender divers, that’s probably adequate to keep them safe.

For the other group of divers, those interested in more than just hopping in, looking at some pretty fish, and getting out to drink some mojitos, the NAUI course of instruction is probably far better. Those people who want to understand the why, and in that understanding, while the how might come with a little more difficulty, the overall understanding will far exceed the other group of divers.

I agree with the instructor aspect more than the course of materials. Knowledge and experience trumps curriculum hands down.

Emt shears in nylon case mount with a velcor cover ? Depends on you gear really where to mount it tight on the main strap is handy ? In a pocket out of the way is also ?

In Hawaii fishing line is a huge mess I used mine to keep the reefs clean mostly nobody really gets tangled :slight_smile:
The Shark thing I hope was a joke if its going to get you it will
Watch a true shark attack on seals
Diving they leave you alone surfing or snokeling you look like a seal
And if anything they are curious and dont have arms ! But honestly its a non issue
Emt shears are best for all things you come across that can entangle you which is usualy fishing line or nets
on wrecks you can bring a pry bar ? If its something you think you need ?
I used to carry a small spyderco covered in silicone as a backup
Only time I used a knife is when a new crew left a dock line in the water and it got packed into the shaft and packing box area n the boat and I then used my sailing knife not a dive knife
If we came across a massive tangle we would come back and get it
With something like a filet knife that is razor sharp :wink:

Also emt shears are handy to shorten a weight belt fix things on your gear where a knife sucks etc…
Create a spare parts kit get some good nylon thread and some sail needles and a pair of needle nose pliers ( miner were vise grip ones) some spare belt clips and any clips your gear uses if you get a good slap strap put your stock strap into your kit ! O-ring tool can be handy you can learn to pop them out with air though to replace leaky ones on your tank
You can use the pliers or sail needles to help get stuff out of your skin like urchin spines :slight_smile:
Pliers handy for everything including holding a sail needle to sew heavy material
Buy two masks IMHO busted lens are rare but can happen
Medical kit besides basics some bandaids and tape and such is tincture of benzoin ! this is a must have to make band aids and tape stick to your skin !

Only time I use a small sharp knife is spear fishing :slight_smile: to brain the fish :slight_smile: carry on weight belt but this was more free diving than on tanks ! Google up blue water hunting !

Compas suunto charge it with your light they are super glowy :slight_smile:
Slates are good also for new dive spots to make some maps
Also when diving new spots look back so you know what its like coming back :slight_smile:
One page with grid is handy if you want to map new spots

In the Puget Sound I used a compass a lot but also knowing your depth and course is equal level when exploring and looking back knowing what the return looks like

Best dive watch I owned was my citizen gave me depth gauge backup great timers and such to my computer
A watch is a must have and know your times if your computer dies you want to know whats going on !
Still prefer 3 console style gauge setup pressure gauge depth gauge and compass on wrist computer and watch

I never wore a snorkel unless free diving sometimes
If I was shore diving might stuff one in my pocket though just in case

Most instructors I hung out with were good divers some though were idiots and doing it as a short term thing to try those types dont last long
Working on boats is fun but being puked on cleaning heads and all the tank schlepping and maintaing dive gear gets old !

Like most things people do shooting, diving, golf what ever
if you do it for a living day in day out you can get very good after a few years many instructors get into diving and dove a lot of things and do it daily all year long all weather all seasons and get a wealth of knowledge
Many do PADI cause of the job opportunities it has over other ? But that is going away some

Haha definitely joking about the underwater shark fight! I’ve got a friend that is convinced he’s going to have to fight off a shark one day and bought a ridiculous Bowie looking knife. He refuses to believe that he looks like an idiot. It’s all very entertaining, at least until he sticks himself doing something stupid. I think I’ll be more than fine with a set of shears. Aside from the instructor using his knife to gently lift a conch, I haven’t seen a single situation here within the scope of what I’ve been doing that would require a knife.

I hadn’t thought about a grid slate, that sounds like a really intelligent idea for mapping new sites!

I’m definitely looking to put together a spare parts kit, but I figure that will evolve more as I get my own gear to fit my personal needs.

Thanks for the watch recommendation. I never wear one at work because of snag hazards so I’ll need to do some more research since it’s been so long since I’ve worn one.