What?
Typos brought to you via Tapatalk and autocorrect.
Pat, thatt’s about how my SCAR-H was setup, other than Aimpoint being T1 and NF being x24, now n/a for civilian market.
After running the setup through 2 days of a carbine class, I removed T1. I think SCAR is the worst platform to run an offset dot, but that’s just my opinion.
I also use a Grip-pod instead of regular bipod and I removed the extension.
As far as the original question in regards to versatillity, here is a rifle that can be run upclose almost as effectively as M4, and then shot out to 800 or so almost as well as a precision rig. Hard to argue with versatility part, no?
Sorry I have shot one at my local range, it’s a nice rifle but nothin spectacular.
Shot placement is key with any caliber. The 7.62 is not a magic bullet, a bad placed shot is still a bad placed shot and if you hit them in a place that would equate to a one shot kill it would be the same with a 5.56 as well. Even a shotto the head does not mean the perp will die. There have been a few cases of people being shot in the head, or having a hunting knife stabbed into their skull and they lived.
I hate to break it to you but 7.62 is nothing special.
Unless you have to shoot through something to kill someone. My experience is that 7.62 makes a big difference with vehicles, mud huts, and thick cover.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1458844&postcount=16
So you’re no longer a rookie four weeks later? You don’t really have any coherent thoughts.
I was talking more in the IT’s so AWESOME it BLOWS people UP with ONE bullet…
LAV has said a lot more about the AR and versatility than the SCAR H. Not that I’m knocking the Mk 17, but I’ve humped a 7.62 battle rifle and an M4 in combat, and for all around use the M4 is still a better option for most situations. But I didn’t get that from TV, I got that from a year in Afghanistan- so shows you how much I know.
I have shot a Scar 17. Also, I have quite a bit of trigger time on EBR’s in Iraq and Afghanistan. When you come up with a real argument get back to me.
Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2
I’ll go on a limb here, and say that I belive that Jeff Cooper was wrong about nearly everything he said.
Wait… This is a joke, right?
I had to restrain myself from chewing you out. If you knew F2S, you wouldn’t have said the things you did.
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?5709-SCAR-17-discussion
http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?5709-SCAR-17-discussion
You know that Cooper was wrong on lots of things right? In fact, people that spent time with him (as instructors) have some interesting tales to tell. One of my favorites is that he was so stubborn that even when HE KNEW he was wrong, he wouldn’t admit it for fear that people would then second guess everything he had written or said. :rolleyes:
If you are not willing to change and or re-examine your position, you are a fool.
If you are a SCAR (16 or 17) that is fine with me. Just note that when parts break (and they do), you won’t be able to run to your local gun dealer and get parts to fix it. On top of this, the 17 mags are rude money and rare. If that doesn’t make you re-think the 17, you should seek medication. 
C4
I think COZ ZINSKI is a child or or senile. Not worth our time and needs site access moderated or just needs to be outright banned.
I would anticipate FN will continue to service what they sell, but obviously a 17 should not be your “one and only” in today’s political climate. Tomorrow (well a few of them), this could change again.
As to the original question, there is not doubt a .308/7.62 (especially the 17) will do some things better than the 5.56. Leaving the battlefield scenarios out, the number of rounds that can be carried is not even a huge consideration (IMO).
And he time difference in drills is surprisingly small, at least in my hands.
As a hunting tool, there is no comparison if a clean one shot kill (aka hunting ethics) is important - and I’ve killed deer with both calibers.
Shooting through things has already been covered by those that have the requisite experience.
So if you look past the pure self defense option - assuming soft targets - (or maybe you don’t - assuming other than soft targets), it’s pretty easy to make the case.
You must not have dealt with FN before. I am an LE dealer for them and have found them to be a PITA company to deal with. Getting a gun “serviced” by the factory is all well an good, but is honestly a long and painful process. Many times it is faster and easier to either stock spare parts or go to your local dealer and pick up parts. Not so with the SCAR.
As to the original question, there is not doubt a .308/7.62 (especially the 17) will do some things better than the 5.56. Leaving the battlefield scenarios out, the number of rounds that can be carried is not even a huge consideration (IMO).
I wasn’t going into the difference between the two calibers (as that has been discussed thousands of times). They each serve a purpose.
C4
I think we should keep him around for comedic value.
Nor will you able to fix a KAC .308 rifle at your LGS - I doubt they’d even be able to remove URX, and another .308 option would likely need to be shipped to Leander, TX for any fixing.
As far as mags, current insanity non withstanding, I stocked a bunch of them at $34 apiece through Midway’s backorder list. This is at almost 1/3 of KAC mag price, and less than half of Larue’s.
I am sure there are enough valid points to critique SCAR-H, but individual weapon support and parts/mag prices availability of alternative .308 options isn’t better at all. So if .308 is what you need or want, the H may be a better logistic option. If 5.56 is sufficient, then it is obviously an easier option.
Many parts in the AR10 are interchangeable. So yes, you can fix many things.
As far as mags, current insanity non withstanding, I stocked a bunch of them at $34 apiece through Midway’s backorder list. This is at almost 1/3 of KAC mag price, and less than half of Larue’s.
I waited 12 months to receive my first shipment. I have two words for you: 308 PMAG.
I am sure there are enough valid points to critique SCAR-H, but individual weapon support and parts/mag prices availability of alternative .308 options isn’t better at all. So if .308 is what you need or want, the H may be a better logistic option. If 5.56 is sufficient, then it is obviously an easier option.
Sorry, disagree.
C4
Good links. Interesting reading.
The ones that matter like BCG are proprietary and not readily available in retail. To take the KAC upper apart, you need special tooling. 308 PMAGs have been questionable in KAC, no? And don’t drop free from Larue?
Yes, we disagree then.