I’m not a newbie to NFA. I’ve built three silencers without a hiccup and now this. I followed instructions online to the letter and had my form 1 returned to me. The response from the ATF was a little cryptic so I called them for clarification. They explained they are no longer accepting “AR-15” for model because each firearm manufacturer puts their own model designation on their AR’s which often is not “AR-15”. My DPMS lower says “A-15”. The agent(s) I spoke to recommended I include a picture of my lower showing the actual engraved model with my paperwork when I returned it.
People all over the internet are saying to put “AR-15” down for Model because that worked for them. Well it didn’t work for me. Hopefully I can save someone the trouble I’m going through.
Date mailed via snail mail: 08 Feb 2015
Returned: 15 Jun 2015
Sent back to NFA Branch within a week. Certified mail confirms they’ve received it. Still waiting for the response. I should add all the agents I spoke to were polite and helpful. I just think this whole process is a little ridiculous since any criminal can shorten a barrel in about a minute with a hacksaw but us good citizens have to jump through all these pointless hoops.
If you’re Making the firearm (Form 1), then it would need to have on it somewhere the Model: [Whatever alphanumeric text you put on the form]. Technically ATF was wrong to reject it, but in theory you’d have to engrave somewhere on it Model: AR-15 to be right to the letter per my understanding for the original submitted form.
In all honesty, if you’ve got it sorted out to send in, I wouldn’t worry about it.
Wow. That’s a long time from the time you first sent it in. I had no idea the paperwork took that long. Hope they get it straitened out for you faster than the first time.
Pretty sure “AR-15” is copyright of Colt. Why didn’t you put what was on your lower? The marking info is to identify the firearm. I would expect them to reject a form which lists markings that aren’t actually on the gun.
They reject the ones where you choose the wrong item. Happens all the time. I input exactly what was engraved, and attached a pic.
The reality is (as mentioned) you technically don’t have to adopt the existing engravings. It’s a lot easier if you do, and no additional engraving would be required.
Apparently I was the first one to register a Zenith Z-5K (MP5K-Type) on eForms.
There is a little pop up that says, “We haven’t heard of that model. We will have to conduct research. This may delay you application” or something like that…
I’ve had that several times. It goes Pending Research, then you’ll get another email when it goes to Submitted. It’s the proper way to do it. Mine usually went Submitted/In Process within 24 hours or so…but I’ve seen others say it took a week or more.
Actually your SBRing an already made firearm. It has a serial number. ATF is correct (this time). Manufacturers have different model designations. Put down what is engraved on your lower, from the manufacturer. That is the information that is in ATF’s record. All the info needs to match; serial # , model #/name, etc.
Correct. It’s just easier to adopt the existing markings, but there’s no requirement to do so. If you didn’t, you’d probably want to include an explanation…and be prepared to engrave additional info.
Technically they are not correct. He is free to remove “A-15” and engrave “AR-15”. No different than SBR’ing an HK-94. Folks remove “HK-94” and engrave MP5 instead.
If that was his intent, his form should have been approved. However, there is no space on the form to reflect this intent.
Just another tactic to delay your lawful rights and hope to deter you from wanting to own. Last year I sent in papers on a Colt Commando 6933. I listed 6933 which is what the model is. This is not what is on the receiver but is the correct model. ATF rejected saying it should be AR15. Now AR15 is not listed anywhere on the receiver or anywhere else, the receiver is stamped M4 Carbine. The examiners are just doing what they can to further violate your rights. Change it to whatever they want to make them happy and you will have your approval back in a week.
When I SBR’d my Noveske lower I put N4 as the model because that is the actual model. It is correct that each MFG will use a different model #. Just look on the lower and it should be pretty clear as to what it is.
If you had bothered to read my post you would see where I stated the lower was stamped M4 Carbine. And I was not incorrect. The model on the box even says “Model-LE6933”. I had two others they approved with no problems with the 6933. Just ran across the desk and was selected to be the one who got jacked with that day. The examiners have no idea about firearms and use no common sense. They would rather send your forms back and mess you in hopes you will not purchase anymore NFA items…
The same thing happened to me but the model name on the noveske lower is something other than “Ar15”. I just saw “model” or “model name” (whatever it is) and was like, it’s an Ar15… Turns out I was wrong. Took like 2 or 3 months after I got the rejection to get the tax refund.