I spoke to a Miami Field agent with the ATF regarding engraving of the receiver with one’s trust and he said in 13years attending gun shows and looking for illegal firearms he never heard of such a thing.
Does anyone have this info? if so he wants me to call him back and convey that to him. Many thanks!
Have him read the NFA handbook. The requirements for engraving are quite clearly spelled out. He can download it from the ATF website.
According to the NFA handbook if one is manufacturing a receiver, info of manufacture name and serial number must be engraved on the receiver however if you buy a receiver from an existing manufacture such as Colt, Stag, Cmmg, Spike etc. and build an SBR from that receiver what would be the reason to engrave you trust name, as the serial number would be registered as an SBR according to the ATF.
Because when you purchase the lower from those companies, it is for a pistol or rifle, not an SBR.
You, or your trust, are “manufacturing” the SBR, hence the reason for engraving.
Now if you buy a complete, factory SBR, then you wouldn’t need to engrave it, since it would be coming to you as an SBR already on a Form 4.
Not surprising. Tell him to contact the BATFE NFA branch, they’ll tighten him up.
We are REALLY starting another engraving TARD FEST thread?:blink:
After 13 years of shooting with guys with SBRs… I’ve only met one guy who actually had engraving. :eek:
Say what now?
Is that because they’re all form 4 guns instead of form 1 guns?
I recently had a Form 1 kicked back, because I didn’t have my engraving information listed in Block 4h. I had to hand write in my company name, city, and state, initial and date it, and send it back.
Stephen
Friends I have spoken with concerning this topic are one of the biggest in the manufacturing business of NFA weapons and they literally told me Quote: It is not necessary. And to cap this discussion I would also like to mention, I have contacted by telephone the ATF in Virginia and they specifically told me, They had no info regarding the engraving of a trust for an SBR. If one feels to be on the safe side of ( ?) then by all means go for it. Thanks all…
And that may well be a very low risk decision given the very low incidence of field-level ATF NFA enforcement. The law on engraving is pretty clear, however, delineated in section 6.2.1 and section 7.4 of the NFA Handbook.
Tell you what, this is a good test to see if it’s required or not.
Don’t actually get your lower engraved, but make an SBR, take a picture of it and send it in to the ATF with your photo, name, address, and explanation that it’s something you put together but didn’t engrave.
If they kick your door in, you’ll know.
Engraving is clearly required by law; however, I work with ATF agents everyday and almost everyone I’ve talk to about this over the last 10 years are unaware of the requirement. The chance is slim to none that it would ever be an issue if not engraved.
Maybe because owners of Form 1 SBRs aren’t walking around gunshows trying to sell their engraved receivers because there is a 6 month wait to transfer item.
If the receiver was properly engraved and registered, it would not be an illegal firearm for him to review.
The incidence of NFA items in crimes approaches zero. So, it is not surprising he has not seen anything.
Warning: Thread hijack (in lieu of starting a new, similar thread):
Question regarding engraving of maker’s address. Form 1 asks for a mailing address. In my case, that is different from my residence address. Yet, the law enforcement certification at the bottom says “Chief of Police for the maker’s city or town of residence.” Has anyone encountered this before? The CLEO of my residence is not the same as the CLEO of my mailing address, so I’m not sure which to engrave. I’d rather it be my mailing address, but I’m concerned it may cause disapproval.
It just has to say your name, city, state. Pick one.
Well technically you can take the upper off the SBR, send the BATFE a letter telling them it is no longer an SBR and sell the lower, all in the same day…
Now if you want to sell / transfer your SBR, yes you’ll have to go through the paperwork.
Just goes to show you asking a cop for legal advice is… Not recommended.
Engrave, don’t engrave, I really don’t care. It’s clearly required but if not engraving is your way to “show up the man”, go right ahead.
Not to mention, most people get it engraved where it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb.
You don’t even have to send them a letter, although they recommend it. And without an SBR upper on it, you can sell it or transfer it or take it out of state.
Since you are doing the Form 1 as an individual, you are required to have the CLEO where you RESIDE sign the form.
Block 3b asks for the Applicant’s name and mailing address.
Below that, block 3c says:
If P.O. Box Is Shown Above, Street Address Must Be Given Here
Without some clarification from you as to why your mailing address is different than your residential address, and in another legal jurisdiction, it’s difficult to say. So please let us know why they are different, and someone might be able to answer your question.
Well, I would like to know who these people work for.
The manufacturer of a firearm is REQUIRED to engrave their name, city, and state on the firearm. Title I OR Title II. Plain and simple. (One exception: If the firearm is being manufactured for personal use, and not to be transferred to another individual such as with 80% lower builds)
Now, if you buy a Title I firearm, and decide to make a LEGAL Title II firearm out of it, YOU are the manufacturer, and are REQUIRED to engrave your name, city and state when you submit your Form 1.
Noveske used to have a program to register customer’s Title I firearms as Title II so they wouldn’t have to get it engraved, but they may have stopped that.
Basically, the customer would send in their Title I lower to Noveske, then Noveske would submit the paperwork to make it a Title II firearm. I never utilized that service with my blem lower, so I don’t remember what Noveske charged. But I’m pretty sure that after they did the paperwork, it had to go to a NFA dealer to be transferred back on a Form 4.
As for the BATFE agent(s) you spoke with in VA, I wouldn’t trust anything they said without some documentation that clearly shows they know what they are talking about. The NFA branch is in Martinsburg WV, and those are the folks I would be asking for guidance from. Not some agent who may be busy making sure that the gas stations are selling taxed smokes or beer.
Mailing address is a business address. I agree the CLEO must be at your residence. In order to avoid any processing delays, I think it’s going to be safer to use my residence address for everything.