Striking the groin and head are considered deadly force in my area.
The LEO I worked with in rough urban areas do not care if the someone has the ability to record their actions, they control a resisting subject the same way now as they did 20 years ago. If you do it right it may not look good on video to a layperson, but you won’t be in the fix the San Bernadino Deputies are in for the way they reacted to the subject on the ground.
Unless more facts are revealed to justify their actions, I take issue with the way the suspect was treated. Being pissed off is not justification.
yet the AZ guys in that walmart video showed some amazing restraint to the point I think they should have done more
and yet these over do it part of me understands the frustration and thinks the bad guys kinda deserve it though but laws in place should be followed especially by the ones who are trying to make sure they are enforced so there is no excuse
I often think this is just the first time they were caught ! not the first time it happened and they should loose there jobs make room for better LEO that wont do this
IMHO like bad teachers that get some slap on the wrist go out do it again just fire them and let it be known if this happens you get fired those on the edge of thinking about it might not go over the edge
but also I think those that run like this should get extra charges and for sure be put in jail fined insane amounts etc… and not just a slap on the wrist or probation so there is no fear in criminals anymore
in a chase of any kind and any life is at danger the feeling person should also face attempted murder
The unfortunate part about the repercussions due to force used in the capture of the horse thief is that in the future some LEO will not use sufficient force to protect themselves or others and wind up seriously injured or killed.
When LEO use an appropriate amount of force when the situation dictates, most of the public don’t have a problem with it.
I absolutely don’t condone the gang beating of a man on the ground.
That said, I wonder at what point LE in general is simply going to stop chasing or fighting those who resist arrest or flee? Unless they committed murder, rape, armed robbery and such, is it even worth it anymore? Serious question.
sadly then the issue will be every basic crook will run to the point not being chased ?
I think if one flees the charges for fleeing should be insane harsh again like attempted murder kinda level
sure some will say they will run anyway but that is like the anti gun crowd someone going to murder someone wont care so sure the hardened criminals wwill still run but the basic ones who think yeah I can get away might think not worth it especially if a few buds have been put away for 20 for fleeing and creating a chase situation
If a soldier in Afghanistan has his buddy killed by some Taliban scumbag, then the bad guy surrenders and the soldier caps his ass…that troop is likely going to Leavenworth. Forget the fact that just about any man would probably do the same thing at that moment.
If that is the case for an American fighting man engaging a foreign enemy, then I expect at least as much scrutiny of domestic law enforcement. The guy may have needed a good ass beating, and I would likely have succumbed to the urge myself, but it can’t be allowed or dismissed.
My point was that if we hold the American fighting man to a relatively strict set of standards against a foreign enemy (and I agree wholeheartedly that their restrictions should be eased) then domestic law enforcement should be held to at least if not higher a standard.
We are on the same page. I believe domestic LEO should be held to a very high standard. I do not believe that a grunt should have to worry more about being prosecuted than being KIA.
In this type of work (LE) a certain level of professionalism and restraint is needed. Of course not every officer is capable of this. Most will get caught in the adrenaline rush and not be able to control their temper and actions.
This case will have to be examined and officers disciplined if they went over the line. Many LEO’s are good guys, but the few who are not make the rest of them look bad.
In fairness to those deputies I have to say I have a quick temper (I’m told that mellows with age…I’ll be 50 in a few months and I’m still waiting!) so I can see myself whaling the shit out of some scumbag. Of course I’d be short-lived as a cop and deservedly so.
Stand by for yet another tax payer funded “settlement” paid out to a career criminal simply because LEOs who shouldn’t be LEOs lose their cool. Nice job guys.
When the rest of the department is using outdated shit because of budget restraints I hope everyone remembers how much was paid out in settlements for that year.
It’s crystal clear they stepped over the line, significantly. The suspect was complying, putting his hands behind his back. But instead of placing restraints on the suspect, they assaulted him using lethal force. Those responsible should be charged with attempted murder.
Restraint is a KEY attribute needed to be a good and successful LEO. The testing, mental exams, and academy can usually weed out the ones that dont have it. However some still get through. Many LEO’s probably know or knew that guy that is going to get himself fired because he has a temper. Ive known two. One got fired because of his attitude and the other got arrested after getting addicted to pain meds and stealing RX pads from his doctor.
The charge would be aggravated assault (or whatever California’s law for serious injury assault is). Attempted murder you would have to prove that they were in fact trying to kill him.
I have never doubted how tough the job must be at times…but pushing other LEO out of the way so you can deliver a better kick? Yep, someone is in trouble. The bright side is the dept. will likely be better in the near future…for how long, who knows?
Side note- After using “a bad temper” as an excuse for some trouble I found myself in, a very wise man said, " son, you don’t have a bad temper, you have a lack of self control." I found the accusation very sobering.
