SA MC Operator vs Kimber Warrior

They are about 100$ apart. Aside from the visible stuff and personal preference ie Lanyard loop vs Not,color, any reason to side with one vs the other?

Does the Warrior have any beveling in the magwell area like the Mc OP? things like that.

I’ve seen some great versions of both in here. Desert Warrior owners are included of course.

Just my opinion… I know of several MC Operators in service that have gone to high round counts while giving excellent service, and very few problems. I know of other SA’s (lightweight Champions) that have had some problems, but SA customer service is great and they made it all good.

The few Kimbers I’ve seen, including a brand new Desert Warrior, wouldn’t run out of the box. I think Kimber’s CS did work on them, but don’t know the final result.

In the end, the SA is a known quantity, to me. MC Operator is one of the best values in 1911’s out there.

I vote Operator. I posted in a bunch of forums a while back asking for a comparison between the two… I’ll post the links on Tuesday when I’m back at the computer I have the URLs saved on…

But in short, here is why I think the operator is better:

  • rail is flush with the frame, the kimber has a lowered rail
  • the rubber wrap around is more comfortable (that’s personal, but I held both and played with them a bit)
  • i’ve heard that SA has far less problems as far as parts and out of the factory functionality / accuracy
  • SA warranty (lifetime)
  • no firing pin safety (70 series)

Both guns are a good choice, but like I said, from the feedback I got from others, SA appears to be a slightly better choice. There have been more bad experiences with kimber owners than operator owners that have chipped in with their opinions when I was doing my research.

Like I said, I’ll post those forum links in a couple days.

hey thanks a bunch Will.

why is having a non firing pin safety type good? all I know is that guys that for what ever reason carry condi2 have to have them, but I dont plan on that.

I don’t have personal experience with a firing pin safety vs. non-firing pin safety, but from what I’ve been told, the trigger pull is smoother if there is NO firing pin safety… and you already have the grip and selector safety (in other words, you’re covered).

I’m sure someone else can chime in and give a proper explanation tho :slight_smile:

MC Oper is a far better choice.

“For a factory light rail gun, the Springfield Loaded Full-Size MC Operator (PX9105MLP), with the green and black paint job, is a leading option. It bridges the quality between the Loaded and TRP grade 1911s and is an excellent value. These guns exhibit excellent overall build quality and tend to run well out of the box. The correct Picatinny spec light rail, corrosion resistant finish and overall configuration of the MC Operator lends itself well to duty use. The TRP models with the standard dust cover (PC9107LP Stainless, PC9108LP Armory Kote) are also excellent choices for a traditional format gun.” ~ Hilton Yam

Or you could go all out and get a SA Professional Light Rail

Another vote for the SA Operator.

I read a bit on www.10-8forums.com and they will not even recommend the Desert Warrior. The only thing I remember about them is that they do not run consistent out of the box. If I was you I would stop by and read up a bit. There is several excellent articles regarding the exact thing you are asking. The guns they do endorse are Springfield if that helps you. Nonetheless, swing by there and take a look.

Ky Cop

What does that run from Springfield?:cool:

$$$

Ky Cop

I own both the two Kimber Warriors, 1- [ Black ] and [ Tan ]Desert Warrior and both are series 1. The Desert Warrior only comes in series 1, 70 series and the Black Warrior comes in series 1 and series 2. I have had 0 problems with my Black Warrior and problems with my Tan Desert Warrior feed ramp. So I polish my feed ramp with a Dremel and it need 300 rounds through it and now it runs like my Glocks. I Love my 2- Kimber Warriors and would buy Warriors again. I have nothing against Springfield Armory.

As I’ve stated numerous times, I firmly believe that if you want a 1911 for serious use, the minimum level of quality for a duty/carry weapon is the SA Pro model (either PC9111 or PC9111LR if you want a light rail). The MC Oper is far closer to the mark than any Kimber II, but in my experience still can benefit from some additional refinement–fortunately the Custom Shop at SA can easily upgrade the MC Oper.

Haha $1k and some change more than the MC Operator :smiley: it’s worth every penny though. I love my Pro, so much that I ordered another one with a Rail.

OH DANG I like that 10-8 SA Op.

Sign up for the newsletter so you can put in an order in April for the 10-8!:cool:

I can’t say anything about the operator because i have never even held one. But I used to have a Desert Warrior and it was a tack driver right out of the box. Mine didn’t seem to go through the “break in” period everyone talks about.

The only thing I didn’t like about it was that it would only feed ball ammo properly, if you loaded a JHP round into it more than once it pushed the bullet down into the casing. Kimber told that this was normal and that 1911s were designed for ball ammo and not JHPs.

I didn’t trust it as an everyday carry weapon because it seemed so tight I felt it would malfunction with the least bit of neglect and it was pretty heavy (but those might be the same for any 1911 and more just a personal preference thing for me). So I traded it for an H&K and have since went solely to Glocks that I can carry at work.

As promised:

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=2535747#post2535747

http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?p=753776#post753776

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1626125#Post1626125

The middle one is kinda useless, but meh. There ya go!

From these posts and the research I did, I came to the conclusion that the SA Operator was, by a small amount, a better pistol. I’m not trying to upset any Kimber fanboys… Kimber is a quality product, but my OPINION from other SA / Kimber owners led me to that conclusion :wink:

Good luck… make sure to let us know which you decide on… and post pics!!

After months of research on various Forums and talking to buddies who have 1911s, I purchased a TRP Operator (half rail). I have only put about 400 rounds through it, but I am very impressed so far. I was also looking at the Kimber Warrior, but too many bad reviews and customer service issues (1 year warranty?) led me back to Springfield. Just my .02

Doc, what would you have SA custom shop do to the MC Op?

FYI, I voted with my money. MC

I vote Springfield because they have a much better reputation.