SA-M7 Classic

Here’s one I found on Gunbroker:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=156673679

The outfit selling it seems to get a lot of Arsenal rifles since they are in Las Vegas as well. I think they are the guys who sold the factory SBRs for Arsenal a year or so ago. If you want one now, this is probably the way to go…

Spooky

I have seen several lancaster milled aks up close and the $700 Century polish milled is a better gun. The lancaster’s I saw had AKM parts on a milled receiver which resulted in a poor fit and are not historically correct. I could barely pull back the bolt carrier on the lancaster as the fit was so bad. The century was as smooth as glass.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=157376118

I own a polytech legend and an arsenal sas-7, but if I could only afford $800 I would go for the Century one.

Does anybody know when Arsenal is going to make another production run of the SA-M7 Carbine? It’s starting to get frustrating trying to find one or really any M7 variant for that matter.

I seriously doubt you’ll see many more milled receivered rifles from Arsenal Inc. It’s just too expensive for them to manufacture, and parts availability is getting harder and harder.

Have you considered the Arsenal Inc. SGL-20?

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17007&cat=352&page=1

I’m assuming Arsenal’s stamped recievers are of higher quality than most?

The SGL series that I’ve seen have been very high quality.

A pre 1989 import ban Kassnar SA-85 from Hungary are also some of the finest stamped receiver AKM out there.

Yeah that’s definately a possibility. The other thing I was considering was a KCI AK-103. Any thoughts?

Yeah, I’d buy two of the SGL’s for one of Kreb’s standards…

Or one of the SGL’s, a bunch of good mags and ammo.

If you’re trying to stay traditional, a pre '89 Norinco or Polytech Type 56 are outstanding rifles, very high quality.

I let this one go about a year and a half ago…

Norinco Type 56.

THAT is my all time favorite AK :cool:

That is a sweet freakin rifle. One last question then I’ll leave you alone, I’m almost certain you have better things to do. Any ideas on where to find said rifles?

If you’re talking about the pre-'89 import ban rifles like the Polytechs, Norinco’s, Kassnar…

You’re dealing with rifles that were imported over 20 years ago. Some will still be NIB or close, but most will show use.

Gunbroker, Sturmgewehr, and TheAKForum are places I’d concentrate on.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but when purchasing an SAM7 or SAM7 Classic, MAKE SURE you determine whether or not it’s a “Ban” rifle, or a “No Ban” rifle.
I wouldn’t own a “Ban” model, as it doesn’t have the threaded muzzle. Of course, it doesn’t have the bayonet lug feature either, if that’s important to you.
They can be converted, but it’s a PIA, and the best option is to just go ahead and find yourself a NO BAN model, just as I did not too long ago.
Listen to Templar, he knows.
I would totally agree with his suggestion on the Arsenal/Saiga SGL-20 AK’s, which are fairly new to the market. They are stamped, but they are basically Russian AK’s, and are a very fine Ak. These would be my second choice, behind a milled SAM7.
However, if a milled receiver AK is what you want, then don’t settle for anything less than an SAM7.

I can say for a fact, that IF you think you want a really nice AK, and not just some average, run of the mill AK, then by all means, HOLD OUT for a milled SAM7 because they can be found with a little time.
Don’t settle for a “BAN” model either because the NO BAN models can be found as well.
BTW,
There is a VERY slight chance I have a lead on a NO BAN SAM7, in like new, barely fired condition at a fair price. Don’t get your hopes up, as it may/MAY NOT be available, but if you are even remotely interested, shoot me a PM and identify yourself as the guy who started this thread.
Thanks and good luck.

Not sure if it’s going to work, but here’s an attempt at posting SAM7 pics, IF they are not too big for the forum. (I can’t resize pics on this old POS PC)

EDIT: Not sure if the first two pics were originally from Templar or what, but they are not my pics. Templar, or someone else on this forum sent them to me a while back.
Sorry guys, I don’t know how to make the pics show in the thread. All I can do is make them show as clickable links…

The difference between post ban and no ban SA-M7 Classics is extremely minimal.

Mine was actually made during the ban. The muzzle is indeed threaded; the thread protector is blind pinned to the it and it’s an easy bust off.

The older Type 1, 2, and 3’s (all THE AK-47) do not have separate bayonet lugs, they used a style of bayonet that locked up without the lug.

Yeah I was checking out the SGL-20 that Templar was telling me about. I’m seriously considering it. I also found a SA M-7 R that I’m also seriously considering. From what I’ve read they’re supposed to be pretty nice as well. Milled receiver, 14mm muzzle threads… The only thing it doesn’t have that I want is a slanted gas block but it’s not a big deal. How hard is it to change out stock sets on a milled receiver?

Not hard, but you have to have a set made for a milled receiver. You can’t take one for a stamped receiver and move it to a milled one.

The buttstocks are held on with three screws, two on the bottom tang and one on the upper.

The M7R comes with the longer Nato length stock, which is about as long as the one on a M16A2, i.e., way too long. You can replace it with a Warsaw length stock set. The M7R is basically the updated current issue Bulgarian and Iraqi military rifle.

Is it me or does that guy not look to sure about what he’s doing? Then again I think that’s probably how I looked when I shot for the first time. Anyways, so what would you take? SA M-7 R or SGL-20? I’m leaning towards the M-7 myself. Where did you find that Polish laminate stock set you have on your Classic?

Your Iraqi clone is my favorite AK. Should never have sold my Classic. :frowning:

ETA-Tim- Did you remove the sling mount off the receiver? Got a pic of the other side?

People ought not sell milled Arsenals…

I left the receiver sling point on the rifle. Most of the Iraqi Arsenal’s had a steel plug installed in the receiver when they removed the sling point.

DaBears85, I bought my Polish laminated set from a guy in Poland who frequents the AK boards. His name was Robert Laukart. You should still be able to find him and his ads on www.theakforum.net and also www.sturmgewehr.com.

Mine was unissued, which means I had to do some fitting and drill the holes in the buttstock for the screws.

Hope that helps.

What are you looking to do with the AK? Both are excellent rifles, the fit and finish on the M7 will be head and tails above the Saiga. The Saiga is going to be lighter, and there are far more stock options for stamped guns than there are milled.

However, personally, there’s something about a high quality milled AK-47 that just feels right, and pride of ownership shouldn’t be overlooked, depending on what you want to do with it.

Well I think I’ve pretty much decided on the M-7. I spend all my time I’m not at work or doing whatever the 'ole ball and chain wants to do at the range. So I’m gonna be doing alot of plinking, maybe some classes, some 3-gun e.t.c.