I recently was reading the thread “The M&P Series So Far,” and from what I can gather, they aren’t real well liked, at least compared to the Glock Series. I bought a 2012 manufactured M&P9 recently, becuase I don’t like the grip angle of the Glock. I previously owned a 22 and a 21. I like what I see so far in the M&P. It points much more naturally (for me at least) than a Glock. For those here that have owned both the M&P and the Glock, how does the M&P hold up durability-wise compared to it’s Glock counterpart in areas like parts breakage, etc.?
I owned an M&P 9 and I chalk up my selling it to S&W cranking out some lemons. It was a 2010 gun. I have to admit to being tempted to try a new production M&P 9.
When you get one that shoots well you’re probably good to go and there are people that I know of that have shot over 20,000 rounds without reporting problems. That is more than 99% of shooters will ever put through their pistols.
Enjoy it.
http://pistol-training.com/archives/998 < good read on the subject
Mine came with the Apex Carry/Duty mod already performed on it, and it has a pretty good trigger. I had a few light primer strikes with some old Winchester military ammo that I bough years ago. This stuff was VERY hot. Doubt I’ll be using it again for that reason alone. I guess it is was intended for SMG use. I bought a new factory striker assy. and put it in just in case it had had a light striker spring installed before I got ahold of it. I took it to the range yesterday and ran 75 rounds of Winchester 115 ball “White Box” and 75 rounds of Federal 115 JHP (9BP) thru it and experienced no further problems. Seems like it is good to go now. I have bought some spare parts of the most likely stuff I think would break. Thanks for your input and the link. Exactly what I was looking for!
I’ve got a few thousand rounds through mine so far, no issues. I use it hard and it just goes.
I have a new production M&P 9FS with just over 1000 rounds through it so far (mostly Winchester White Box and Blazer), not a single hiccup or malfunction. The only changes I’ve made to the pistol are installing an Apex Duty/Carry trigger kit and a set of Heinie Straight 8 sights. Like MegademiC said, it just runs. I also haven’t noticed any of the accuracy issues that plagued some of the earlier pistols.
Local PD uses them, I converse with officers five days a week, talk guns on occasion, they didn’t complain about the 40, and only a few about the 9 just because it was a mandated change, no regular failure stories.
HP had them in 357 Sig. They complained about failures of all sorts. Don’t think it is even offered anymore.
Charlotte PD uses the M&P 40. The one officer I spoke to said they were well-liked.
I shoot at least 300 rounds through mine weekly at IDPA or just out the range. I have done so for several years now. Still runs like a champ. After grant put in a hand fitted barrel it is also unbelievably accurate. Don’t think I have ever had a malfunction besides the first 100 rounds, or the occasionally light primer strike, and that is only when the gun is very very dirty.
You can read Glock threads and think the same thing.
As someone who has owned both I prefered the M&P for a while and still have it. I wish I would of kept the Glock only for the size. I don’t shoot the M&P much though, I much prefer the VP9 over both.
Well over 10k through mine and only problem I’ve had is recently replacing a long overdue striker assembly which was causing light strikes. Several of the guys I shoot with also have M&Ps with over 10k through them and no issues.
I started out on Glocks and up until getting my Shield a couple years ago daily carried a G27 since 1996. Never had any issues from my G27 but did have issues with my G21 and G23’s locking the slide back during strings of fire. I won’t full attribute that to the pistols and instead saw it simply as incompatibility with my hand and grip. All of my Glocks would cut my right hand too with slide bite. Never an issue with my left though.
My preference is for the M&Ps because mine have been reliable and I simply shoot them better.
I see them as comparable so I always recommend people buy the one they shoot best.
I have about 4k rds through a 2012 model. It has the original iffy barrel in it (which has since been redesigned by s&w). It has been incredibly reliable. I had a few light strikes when i first got it on fiocci ammo but discovered the striker channel was full of gunk, preventing the firing pin from coming out far enough to ignite the hard primers. A quick cleaning inside the tube and it hasnt happened since.
As far as accuracy with the old barrel goes, its great 9 rds out of 10 but i can pretty much count on 1 or 2 flyers per california mag regardless of ammo type.
If ur LGS doesnt mind u stripping the slide… check to make sure the chamber has 2 dimples on the underside indicating the new and improved barrel.
Interesting. Where are you located? Sounds like you are talking to folks I know. We have the M&P and recently (two years ago) went to the 9 from 40. No major issues with either. My M&P 9 has over 20,000 rounds through it with no parts failures or malfunctions I can recall. Ammunition has been a mix of Speer 147 GDHP, Lawmen 147 TMJ, Winchester WB 147 (which SUCKED with numerous failures to fire) and a ton of Blazer 147 TMJ. Ours, in both calibers, have been at least as reliable as Glocks. The 40s had no issues with any ammo/light mounted pistols which has not been the case with the G22.
I always felt the dead trigger issues NCSHP had with their 357sigs was due to them being earlier models which had the smaller seat springs. The upgraded larger seat housing and spring eliminated the dead trigger issues but they never upgraded theirs when the karts became available. Still surprised the S&W Rep didn’t make that change before losing the contract.
My 9c (2009) never failed in 4 or 5k rounds…it just run perfect. My 2yo Shield has been bullet proof perfect so far for almost 4000 rounds…
The two Glocks I’ve owned were perfect also, but then again so have my Sigs and even one lowly P89. Reliability isn’t rocket science, it’s not even that hard to get from a cheap gun if you have any ability to maintain a mechanical device. I know some people don’t want to admit there are brands other than glock, much less reliable brands, but my p89 has been perfect since I bought it new in 1984 thousands and thousands of rounds…I wouldn’t expect anything less from my M&Ps and so far I haven’t had to.
That being said, I love my CZs…(they’re not glocks either)
I appreciate all the input. I am pretty happy wih the pistol so far. Think I made a good purchase.
W-S, can’t recall exactly when the change took place, doesn’t seem like it was quite two years ago.
Seems dead trigger was the main issue but not the only one in .357, the Troopers I spoke with said S&W tried a few fixes.
Thought so. It was two years ago. I am very up to speed on that. I have not heard any complaints, but then again, you cannot please everyone. Plus the average copper does not necessarily understand all that goes in to a large procurement. Im pretty familiar with HPs issues. You get a mixed bag when talking to their guys. Their cartridge choice is pretty tough on pistols.
There were complaints with .40, but not many. The 9mm has been very well received.
Sheperd, where exactly would one look for these 2 dimples?
Thanks
They are located on the bottom side of the chamber. Heres an interesting article on the subject with a pic. The article is a couple years old and shows a single dimpled barrel. I cant seem to find the article about the newer 2 dimpled barrel but apparently both are an improvement over the original.
I own a M&P 45 Middy a G17 and a G19. All 3 weapons have at least 5K rounds through them. All in a fairly short period of time. I carry either the G19 or the 45 Middy. The most accurate of the bunch is the M&P. As far as durability is concerned neither of the three has given me any real problems. The Glocks all flung brass back into my face but after replacing the extractors and ejectors that problem was fixed. I’ve never has a single issue with my M&P. If someone said I absolutely had to get rid of one of the three it would be the G17. The G19 and the M&P are much easier for me to conceal and I only use the G17 as a training weapon. I don’t have any experience with the M&P 9’s so I can’t make a comparison.