If I like this setup, I will lower profile mounts made and mill out the slide.
C4
Does the LED version not have the washout issues? Is it “Aimpoint bright”?
Correct.
C4
Your dot is still 13-ish MOA no matter what the distance. A 3.25 MOA dot at 25 would only cover roughly an inch of target. No matter, I would be fine with a dot that big on a pistol. I have a 9MOA RMR and I really like it, it’s riding on a shotgun right now. I am willing to sacrifice some brightness for not needing batteries.
I have experimented with various sizes and the 7MOA worked out best for me on a handgun. The 3.5 Insight MRDS (I think it’s the best of it’s kind) was too small for me to pick up consistently. If I dedicate a gun to a red-dot it will be the MRDS in 7 MOA.
I am puzzled as to why anyone would make a sight of this nature and not have it fit Docter-pattern mounts. It seems your market would be that much bigger with all the mounts and optics already on the market. If people could retrofit existing mounts with new sights (Elcan Specter, Trijicon ECOS, Larue’s Irondots) I bet they’d sell more of these.
Grant, I’ve been very interested in this concept ever since I saw the set up on the FN 45, but I am curious as to your thinkng. Is the idea of this RDS along with CT grips simply for redundancy? Why else would you want to couple these 2 things.
How is the LED version doing on your SG?? That is a true test for an optics durability.
I originally thought that a 13MOA might be too big. After talking with some friends about what competition shooters run, I think it will work well.
C4
When using a none battery powered optic, there can always be a reticle washout issue. The CT laser grips are a good idea IMHO when using this type of optic.
In the event that the dot fails, you could also point shoot.
I do a lot of CQD/low light shooting so I might be more concerned about it than others.
C4
I haven’t really fired it much to be honest, maybe 50 rounds of 00 buck. So far, so good.
These are pictures off of David Bowie’s site detailing the cut in the slide that is made for a J-Point. Surely not the same for an RMR but similar. The lower the better I would suppose. http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/mandpprices.html
Grant,
Can you post some pics from the back of the gun showing how the dot works and what happens when the gun tilts up and down?
Thanks!
thanks Grant,
that’s good info
while we are on the subject, the T1 has held up fine to lots of shooting through my 44 mag… since this pic was taken I took the mount to a buddy and he machined away all the rail slots forward of the T1 so it’s a nice, super clean mount
not trying to hijack the thread just reporting that the T1 will hold up to a 44 and I have seen cheaper ones fail
it’s counted for a few hog kills and can consistently hit a 12" diamter steel plate at 100 yards off hand
me and my son last September hunting with Bill Wilson
I tried, but was just too hard to to make it look right.
S&W showed some new pistol mounts for the RMR at Shot. So they will be available soon!
C4
Grant:
I am looking at doing this as well… do you have any idea when the mounts are slated to be released? Also, what did you have to do to make the mount you had on hand work?
Thanks,
Dan
2-3 months on the mounts.
I have more of the mounts like I am using, but you have to use a spacer to get the holes on the RMR to line up.
C4
I ran this gun at a class down at Blackwater. I had only two slight issues with it. While doing a moving and shooting drill, I lost the dot. I attribute this to me not controlling muzzle flip. The other issue was the dot size when trying to shoot NRA 25yd slow fire targets. It is very hard to shoot the X ring out with a 13MOA dot. 
Now if you are not concerned with shooting X rings and do most of your shooting at 6-8" circles under 25yds, then I would say that the 13MOA dot size will work.
I am going to give the 9MOA dot size a chance next and see if that works for me a little better.
C4
Re: the base mount(sans spacer), is it sized for a J-Point or a Docter/Fastfire? If it’s the latter, I’ll call dibs on one right now…
The base is sized for the Trijicon red dot (which is the same as the Docter I believe).
C4
I just spent the last half-hour trying to figure this out for myself from crappy internet pictures and it looks like, to me, that the Trijicon Reddot is actually a JPoint pattern sight. I don’t have either in my hands, but the mounting hardware appears to be in a slightly more central position longitudinally on the Docter mounts than those for the JPoint/Reddot. So, looks like the search continues…
For what it’s worth, I have an Insight MRDS (which requires a Docter mount) coming to me for a project similar to yours Grant, and I will mount it on my M&P or die trying:p. Pics will be posted.
Nicely setup.
I run similar only RMR batt. pwred model on Ruger MK ll w/ can.
Very fast, light etc.
Outstanding.
So, Grant, let me understand it better: during the entire class, there was only one instance where you were unable to track the dot in recoil, and you think it was a correctable shooter error of letting the gun run away from you at that particular moment?