That thing looks great. Do you have any pics of the left side?
Phil
Here you go.
How about some pics of the reticles? Does the #7 reticle have stadia lines like the CQB?
No, it does not. The #7 is an extremely simple wide/fine crosshair combination that provides fast acquisition, but no ranging stadia.
AC
The new LE versions has 24mm Obj. and bigger FOV
so which one is better? 1.1-4x20 Short Dot with locking turrets or the new 1.1-4x24 Zenith Short Dot LE? BTW, I got the names from Schmidtbender.com. Never knew that there is a Zenith Short Dot. I always thought that Zenith and Short Dot were different models in the SB product lineup.
The Zenith Short Dot LE is a major improvement over the earlier Short Dots. The Zenith scopes are a different product line from the Short Dots (though obviously the products are very similar.)
I came upon schmidtundbender.de and saw PM 1.1-4x24 Short Dot LE. I noticed the specs are not the same as schmidtbender.com’s 1.1-4x24 Zenith Short Dot LE. Aren’t both scopes supposed to be the same? Reticle for the German SD is CQB while American SD are FD2 and FD7.
Google translated link for the German SD:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.schmidtundbender.de/pm/1-1-4x24-pm-short-dot-le-3.html&prev=hp&rurl=translate.google.com
Also, what is the difference between the 1.1-4x24 Zenith Short Dot LE and Zenith 1.1-4x24?
So is this the general consensus? If your gonna spend the $$$$, the Zenith should be considered over the older versions? Thanks,
Does anybody know anything about the coming 1-8 Short Dots? Worth waiting for?
I’m curious how things like eye relief and field of view will be affected.
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Does anyone know why they didn’t put the mil-dots in the new(er) Zenith Short Dot LE? Would I miss having the mil-dots if I put the scope on a 0-400 yd 16" AR?
I’m trying to decide between a older Short Dot and the Zenith Short Dot LE, in case that wasn’t obvious. Thanks in advance,
Jason
Ahhh the perils of posting in a stickied thread.
Bump…
Ram - I think the MIL lines in the CQB were not well received by a large group of users. The lines are pretty close together - it isn’t like looking through a 10x… ranging is definitely harder with a 4x.
Also and I could be way off, I think for S&B who makes FFP tac scopes - the idea of a SFP MIL Line didn’t jive.
I have a locking turret CQB. To me it is either at 1x with the dot on or at 4x and the dot off. I have shot this a fair amount out to 625. I have ranged with it out to that distance and in between as well; and have used the MIL lines to shoot holdovers and holdoffs (I never dial for wind). If you are proficient with a MIL scale already it is second nature and this represents an advantage for you on a being able to accurately stretch a carbine’s legs. I personally would not trade this off, I think it is THE set up for my 16" switch block.
Here is some porn to help you decide:
Good luck
Graphic Example from today:
Target is down the hill in between the two big trees in the foreground, just to the right of the dirt trail, and just left of the grey stump. I went prone and MILed the target (26" x 17.75"), guesstimated at 1.1 MILs, calculated 448 yrds, dialed my dope (different than BDC), guesstimated my wind hold at 1 MIL left, fired - first round bingo at the 5 o’clock just below the center door. I then grabbed an LFR and got a reading of 443 yrds. Lastly I made an adjustment to elevation and then fired the remaining 29 rounds while seated and slung using a wind hold of 1.0 MIL to 1.5 MIL left. The Short Dot with the CQB reticle is not optimum to range with but can work pretty well out the the limits of a carbine while still affording the shooter an optic that is nearly as fast as an Aimpoint in close.
Good luck
While it is not stated on their (S&B) website or literature the Zenith Short Dot LE is available with the P3 Mildot reticle.
This info came straight from S&B however I have the #7 in my scope. It is possible to retrofit the reticles.
I know this doesnt answer your question but may give a little more insight into your decision.
Nick
Okay, I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on one of these so I’ll try again… How do the newer Short Dot II scopes perform in lowlight with a 24mm objective lens??? I know their twilight factor is only (3.5/8.9) but how well do they really work at dusk/dawn or inside a dark building?
Thanks
Anyone get to play with the 1.1-8x model yet? Are they only available in mil-dot?