No, you got that waaaay wrong.
Krauthammer is the embaressment … You should be ashamed to even use that guys name, without spitting three times…
Why is there only two candidates in the debates next week? But every election I see other choices, libertarian, green and constitutional parties.
Why? Is it because he asked your favorite candidate a tough question that he could not answer? So your favorate candidate botched an interview and you blame the person asking the question. I suppose that Johnson’s shitty performance in the polls has nothing to do with people disagreeing with his positions. It’s all the system’s fault…:rolleyes:
Because you can’t run a debate with 5 or 6 people on the stage. The GOP Primary debates proved this. There has to be some criteria or else the debate becomes a cluster with the likes of the guy from The Rent is Too Damn High Party (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20rent%20is%20too%20damn%20high&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDoQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dx4o-TeMHys0&ei=Q81lUMnvMqbC0QGg04H4Bw&usg=AFQjCNHHPPdxcVvPDTksaHNxZCI1jZwc_g). Thus, the debates set a criteria based on polling. Get about 15% of the population to agree with his positions and he’ll get a spot on the stage.
Our parties aren’t permanent they just keep the same names as they evolve.
The GOP risks becoming a regional party because of their views on social issues more than anything. The south likes their Christianity in their politics. Northern conservatives are mostly perfectly happy to let gay people get married. The salvation of the party will be if the libertarians and the fiscal conservatives force the social conservatives aside.
I bet if you ran the numbers for abortion, higher taxes, social programs, and everything else you’d get similar results.
And it’s starting to sound like the 1860’s all over again…
You know, I don’t even like Johnson, so your whole argument is what I would call, flawed.
The fact is that Knucklehead (er, Krauthammer) is a flaming right-wing, neoconservative loon.
By the way, this is the correct spelling of “favorite.”
And your tactic of changing the topic to Krauthammer is what I would call, weak. However, I will concede that you are a better speller…
The Republican party is a cheating whore that should be divorced.
Completely agree. As a nation we have the government we deserve.
Hey, you are the one that brought Knucklehead into the discussion… 
Here is the problem - you brought up something that didn’t have any relevancy to the current discussion, and I (stupidly) got irritated by what you said, and pounced.
I can’t disagree with your statement about career politicians, be it Virgil Goode, or Gary Johnson, or Mitt Romney…
The problem is, while you have such insight regarding politicians, when said career politician happens to agree with you on certain issues, it seems that insight goes out the window, and you support them, regardless of the facts.
Is that why, or is it because we have only two viable candidates to choose from and one of them is usually an abhorrition?
Amazing to see so many idealogs here sit on their high horse while offering not a single link to their new web or facebook page documenting their organized effort to establish a new, better party or to run for a more conservative party. Yes you may have cast a vote for Paul or what not, but if you’re so horrified by the current Republican party you should know that isn’t nearly enough anymore.
I will vote for the most conservative AND electable candidate in this race. Given the stakes when it comes to SCOTUS nominations, that means that I go to the mat for Romney on the issues where he is correct and do my best to swallow the 20% that I don’t support.
It also means that I’ll point out the fallacy that some third party candidate would somehow be a refreshing change for the country. That notion seems to be the undercurrent of this thread and the focus of my ire for the past 3 or 4 posts.
Two viable candidates, blah, blah blah…
You know what? If you think, for one second that this political situation can be reversed, by ANY party, even a new “party,” you are beyond help.
My point is that any career politician has sold their soul, in some way shape or form, and simply by changing the bus driver, you aren’t gonna change the destination.
I was involved in a campaign in the 2008 elections - I drank the kool-aid, and thought that this candidate might actually change the direction of the country. It took a while, but I finally figured out that placing your trust in ANY candidate, or party, or ideology is just plain stupid, so I am now a political agnostic. I don’t claim any ideology anymore, and have little patience for anyone that thinks their favorite side is gonna do better than the other side…
And I could say the same about utter simpletons who are content to pout in the corner and bitch on election day because mommy won’t give them what they want.
This is 100% spot on. Democrats rarely criticize/undermine other Democrats no matter how far apart they are in ideology. They are playing this as a team from the ground up, and “we” are not.
^ This…Nothing is gonna change in this country until we are flat broke, and a loaf of bread is costing $100, (an extreme example, I know, but you get my point)and we are reduced to bartering to get things. Right now, I figure that Obama is going to win, Romney just can’t seem to keep from fucking up, Every other week it seems like he slips up and say something damaging…Obama has spent roughly, 5 trillion in 4 years, putting us in debt to the tune of 16 trillion,(not counting SS and medicare/medicaid) Four more years of that kind of spending, plus the Fed’s plan to spend 40 Billion a month buying back morgage backed securitys(endless QE) and we should be close to the tipping point. Neither party has a viable plan to reduce the defict in a meaningful way, and frankly four more years of Obama style spending,+ endless QE, and Default may be the only viable answer…I just wish that there was a “none of the above” box to check on the ballot…Myself, I’ll vote for Romney, only because at this point, it’s the only meaningful way to vote against Obama…But make no mistake, the only way to change things around in this country is through alot of pain…and there will be plenty to go around for everybody… That’s something no one in Washington has the guts to face up to…or admit.
Oh I know, it’s just been horrible. Utterly torturous in fact. Now what is it you like so very much about the flavor of MSM koolaid?
And where is the link to your libertarian website? What is your plan other than bitching and moaning? You want change, make a real attempt to achieve it rather than waiting around like a clueless peasant.
Tonight when I get home I am going to try something myself to set an example. It’s an idea I’ve had for about a week, if it hasn’t already been done I will do it within 24hrs. If it’s viable I’ll have it up and provide a link, if not I’ll explain later to show I’m not blowing smoke.
By the way Ralph, I want to make it clear that while I was responding to your post, I was primarily talking to everyone here who does a lot of complaining about the current Republican party and especially those that said they will not be voting. At least you plan to do that, which is more than we can say of others.
Only this morning my neighbor said she is not voting this year. I asked why and she said because she doesn’t care for Obama anymore (she’s an elderly liberal) and doesn’t “trust” Romney. I casually asked her to elaborate about Romney and she had not a single substantial claim of any sort, just a feeling.
I let it go at that but find such a mindset very counterproductive and frustrating at this critical juncture. It also highlights the negative effect the media has on too many people today via biased reporting.
Safteyhit:
No problem, I like everyone else, get frustrated with the current state of the elections… Living in a swing state I get bombarded with election ad’s…I’m so tired of it I could just puke.I honestly think there some brilliant people who could make a difference, But choose not to, because they don’t want to subject themselves and their families to the level of mudslinging, back stabbing, outright lying, that is now considered "normal’ for elections…I look at voting as the only chance that I have to do something,put my 2 cents in. I’m happy to do it. I’m interested in your idea… Let’s see what you have…
Both of these parties are for shite…and with the rise of the internet and smaller computers people are better informed. This is dangerous for both parties because they are now being scrutinized like never before. You can bet your ass that both parties are running around like crazy trying to figure what to do. You can already tell with the bills being presented through congress about the gov’t trying to take control and censor the internet.
People are starting to realize that neither of these parties care about the electorate, they have their own agendas and they want to stay in power to attain their goals. Even if it means flip flopping, changing parties, lying…pandering…you name it.
This shit is broken, like not fixable broken. We need to clean house and send all of these people packing.
Install term limits, pay caps, elimanate these crazy pensions after just serving one term. cut their pay by 75%, and give them a one time 250K pay out and the end of their term…which is capped at 2 terms. Get rid of the life long politician’s…the true power brokers in the gov’t.
It’s gonna happen…hide and watch. We are seeing this bullshit firsthand over, over the past decade, like never before. We can only stomach so much…so yeah I think things will change. I think we’re seeing the begining of the end for the mainstream 2 party system.