Roadblock is a internet thief. Do not do buisness with him. Sells items and doesn’t deliver return pm’s or messages…
Item finally arrived. When I posted must have gotten his butt in gear. This is a second and not a first quality knights m4 handguard set. It is better than nothing though.
Um… Yeah, your pm’s had NOTHING to do with me getting my butt in gear. I haven’t even been online in like a week or more. Picked up a bunch of 12 hour shifts at work. Work, sleep, work sleep etc.
I didn’t even know you hadn’t gotten it yet until like 10 minutes ago.
As far as the rail goes, what do you mean it’s a second quality? It was BRAND NEW in the box a couple weeks before I posted it here. I bought it brand new from c8pack or whatever his name was on the ar-15.com forum. Not that it means anything to you, just saying it was NEW. Brand new in the box, complete kit. Although I sold the rail covers to a friend, hence me only asking $100.
It was an unissued Mil version I think. The box was dated something like the mid 90’s? I could be mistaken, I thought that is what it said but I have no idea if that means its different or anything. It was brand new and I used it while I waited on a Daniel Defense rail soooo anyway, if your not happy, let me know I have other people who want it. I’ll be happy to sell it to someone else, it was $100 bucks… You can barely get a UTG rail for 100 bucks! 
Anyway you have my email address now, email me if you have concerns or comments, I will see that faster then PM’s here.
here is the conversation between me and Roadblock regards to a trade for my B5 stock for his ctr/miad set. Started 5-4-12 till today. I removed personal information and unrelated conversation:
(me)
i have a new b5 black
i’ll work out a trade with you if your interested.
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=104775
Which color set are you interested in? I got a crap ton of PM’s with people offering to buy both of them. I plan to buy a B5 stock anyway so I’d be down to trade.
Is yours one of the newer style ones with the swivel attachment? I know they had a bad batch too, fits a Mil-Spec tube OK?
Thanks! Let me know.
(me)
black is fine.
new old stock with no qd.
from my understanding, all b5’s will fit tight on mil spec tube some will fit even tighter on other brands of mil spec tubes.
if you want a good nice fit, you’ll appreciate the lmt sopmod instead of the b5
i personally have a couple of the b5’s and they are one of the best affordable sopmods.
i keep mine locked in the short position for CQB
Well, do you mind if I think about it for a day or so?
I actually have swivels and I was hoping to be able to attach my sling to the stock without needing to buy that swivel adapter.
I have a wholesale account with Brownell’s and can actually order the B5’s for $89.00 dollars threw them, I was hoping to just trade to speed things up but I really would like a swivel point.
If no one actually buys one, I might just trade though. I have had offers so I wanna see what is going to happen there. If you had one with the swivel, I would say yes right now though!
(me)
your the bossman. don’t want you to get something you don’t want.
OK I might be interested in a trade. I thought I had the FDE set sold but the guy just backed out.
I know they make an adapter that fits on the old style stock so you can run a swivel, whatever!
So, are you still interested?
The stock has both storage tubes, no damage etc? That said, mine has no damage or anything wrong with it. Hardly used it.
(me)
mine is new in package, never opened. fde is fine. what happen to the black?
whats your shipping addy?
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I still have the Black stock too.
What I meant was I planned to sell one of the stocks/grips and buying a B5 SOPMOD with a swivel point. I had an offer for my FDE kit but the guy backed out. Sounds like he bought something else so as of right now, neither are sold so I can’t buy a SOPMOD. I’ve been trying to sell these stocks for a month now on ARFCOM and locally and they have been bought like a dozen times then backed out on. I seem to always find flaky buyers.
Anyhoo, I’m trying to build a Block II rifle and at this point, I just want a B5 or LMT SOPMOD, I don’t care which I guess. Black, Tan, with or without a swivel point I guess they all work the same!
Do me a favor though. If you change your mind PLEASE just shoot me a PM and tell me. In almost every case where someone backs out. I only find out AFTER I PM them asking where the payment is. They finally reply saying something came up, sorry blah blah blah. One guy told me he got a virus, no joke. He had to pay for a virus to be removed. Offered to throw in Norton Anti-Virus for free, he never replied!
(me)
i have over 100+ feedbacks on ar15.com with same screen name.
you’ll have this sopmod 2-3 days. i know how you feel about them members. thanks again
Yeah I use ARFCOM too but people over there piss me off. I find M4C to be more professional.
I do post in the Block II thread on ARFCOM though. A lot of cool guns and SF/SEAL’s pictures to be found there.. All the guns basically look the same but hey, still cool to see Block II builds.
(me)
Delivery Confirmation™ # 9405 5036 9930 0001 5425 08 (Sequence Number 1 of 1)
Shipped to:
Sir, can you do me a favor and wait to drop off that stock at the Post Office til maybe tomorrow or Monday? I just realized the the black MIAD kit’s missing the main body piece. All of the other parts are in the box, but I must have forgotten to put the body back in the box and I’m not sure “where” it is. Looking for it now.
(me)
i dropped it off already this afternoon. i sent you the confirmation this morning
I actually saw the confirmation but I guess I just assumed you hadn’t dropped it off yet as it just said they had only received electronic notice of a label being printed.
I was hoping I had caught you before you dropped it off. Then I went out of town early that next morning for a shooting trip up north, just got back around 1am last night.
OK no biggy, I’ll take care of it! Might have to run to the local gun shop but hey!
Sorry for not getting back to you before now but I needed some time to figure a couple things out.
The stock showed up here that Monday. Fast shipping, definitely have to give you props on that.
Unfortunately, the stock will NOT work with either of my M4 rifles. I was able to get it onto both of my buffer tubes but it wouldn’t lock into place on either of them and I got it STUCK on the second one. When I say stuck, I mean stuck. I had one of my buddies holding the rifle and I was pulling the stock, sucker wouldn’t budge. We popped the butt-pad off and even tried to hold rifle by the stock so all the weight of the rifle was hanging there. Keep in mind we made sure the lock wasn’t engaged and then we tried tapping it out with a big ass tap. When I say big, it was almost as big around as the square hole in the back of the stock under the butt-pad. The thought was the shock of being tapped plus the weight of the rifle might cause it to drop out of the stock. Nope, all we did was smash the hell out of my buffer tube and put a big ass dent in it!
My rifles are not off brands either. In fact the one it was stuck on was a Daniel Defense.
I did end up getting it off but I had to spray the piss out of the stock and buffer with CLP gun oil then and pull really hard with the lower mounted in a vise block that I borrowed from a friend.
I have 4 other Mil-Spec stocks, CTR, MOE, VLTOR and a Mil-Spec 6-position and I’ve never seen one stuck like this. I know you said they fit tight but DAMN!
Anyway, I did some asking around and Grant from G&R Tactical seemed to think this stock was one of the rejected Military stocks. I snapped a picture of the label on the package and sent it over to Keller at B5 and asked if he would give me some info and he replied saying this:
The stock came off in one piece but it has a few marks on it and I was definitely not comfortable reusing the buffer tube. Didn’t want to risk the back blowing out from being weakened by the dent. Not to stressed about the buffer tube, I had a spare BCM so the dented one went directly into the trash, did not pass go or collect $200 dollars (Monopoly joke), sorry trying to keep a positive mood about everything!
So, um yeah that is where I’m at right now. Thoughts?
(me)
told you they were tight! i have one on one of my mil spec tubes and functions but tight so i just keep in in the short postition like i discribed before we traded. in your situation it was really really tight. some mil tubes are little smaller in diameter and they work better. i heard some people file the rails down in the stock to free up some, that’s up to you. i know these tight ones are floating around and sellers are providing full disclosure to buyers, that’s how i got these b5’s. i just got lucky have a smaller diameter buffer tube around and works for me. the other stock in bag went to you.
have not receive your end of the deal, what do you think is fair? lmk please
Seriously? I specifically asked if these were the “bad batch” and looking back at your response it kinda feels like the question was skirted around.
You mentioned they fit tight yes, and said all B5’s do and are suppose to.
These fit WAY more then tight, the locks won’t properly engage and I practically broke the thing getting it off.
I spoke to Keller at B5 and he is telling me this stock is one of the defective stocks, it was NEVER suppose to be sold to the public, it was suppose to be destroyed and it doesn’t fit anything on the market, pitch it into the trash.
What would you do? I don’t want a defective stock that the manufacturer is telling me to pitch into the trash. I should not have to buy another stock tube to make it work or sand it out. I was never told I would have to sand anything. If you had said that I would have passed.
Mil-Spec is Mil-Spec, it should just work according to Keller.
Hell, I’m already out one buffer tube ($40.00 dollars), I don’t want to be out $10 bucks returning it too.
If you would like it back can you please cover shipping? I would be glad to give you good feedback for the prompt shipping!
Thoughts?
(me)
you want me to send you $10 for shipping it back to me?
why did you even do what you did before you shipped the ctr as promise? what kind of trader are you?
i will get a moderator involved in this because it sounds like you think i am some kind of walmart where you can manipulate me to ship to you first so you can toy with it and make me pay for you shipping it back to me and accepting the used condition. remember it was in sealed package and i have not receive even a confimation # from you.
the least you can do is be fair at this point and your not!
Do you have a number I can just call you at? Might be easier to explain my issues and concerns
(me)
-you have my was new stock (cost me $5+ to ship)
-i have nothing
-you won’t ship me back my “tampered by you” stock if i don’t pay you $10
-you won’t give me good feedback unless i do so
-you were concern and stressed about me keeping my word to follow through deal because you had bad experience with others in the past.
i am not a b5 expert but i disclosed what you should know before we traded. you did not keep with the deal and evidently have previous dealings where you fail to ship to others. NOW YOU WANT MY #
just sit tight buddy and a MOD will be on the way, since you can’t play fair.
The mods already know man. I pm’ed one of them a couple hours before replying to you. I had a feeling this was going to be the reaction I got from you.
I very clearly asked you if this was one of the “bad batch”. You told me it was new in the bag and that all B5 stocks fit tight. I took that to mean it was a NEWER stock, not one of the defective models that was suppose to be destroyed.
If you had pm’ed me back saying oh shit, I’m sorry I didn’t know, I would have been none the wiser but you told me to sand out the stock because these don’t work right with some stock tubes.
I’ve got Keller from B5 telling me they should fit all Mil-Spec buffers and that if it’s not, its defective and it’s junk.
What would you think?
I feel like I’m being scammed here. Had my MIAD been where I thought it was I would have sent this out probably on Saturday and then just been screwed out of a working stock.
OK let me ask you this. Do you have another B5 stock that will work? I’d still like one. I’m trying to work with you here but you gotta see it from my end. Why should I have to be out more money when I clearly ASKED the right questions.
You said it yourself, you told me what YOU thought I should know, not what I asked.
The stock is in fine shape, nothings wrong with it. I haven’t tried to sand it out per your instructions. The oil is cleaned off 100% and the only scuffs are inside from it being stuck.
I’ll return it and I’ll be happy to leave you positive feedback for the quick shipping but I’m not interested in a stock I can’t use.
If you have another one that fits, I’d still be happy to trade.
(me)
i have one thats on a mil spec tube, however it does not fit all other mil spec tubes. like i said, some mil tubes are little smaller in diameter.
you really think im going to send you another stock after this fiasco?
why don’t you accept the fact that you scammed me and never send your end of the deal. You cheated me out by using my stock and now want me to pay you $10 to ship it back. does this sound fair to you?
i havent contacted a mod yet, thats because i hope you can come to a fair mind to resolve this!
would be nice to get my property back (obviously tampered with) and not require me to pay for that rediculous $10 shipping. where it only cost me about $5 priority to you.
If your not wanting to ship it back fairly, I take it as your stealing from me! and thats a scam my brother!
The stock looks fine, there is nothing wrong with it other then the obvious fact it’s defective per B5 System’s own representative saying it was.
I’ll get it out either tonight after work or tomorrow morning on my way into work. Depends on what time I leave work today.
I’ll be happy to give you positive feedback based on the super fast shipping and good communication.
Oh and that thing you mentioned about me not shipping someone else something, if you read that again you will see he got his item, I was out of town but that is neither here nor there and really has nothing to do with any of this. Just saying.
Either you missed it or I wasn’t clear but it you re-read the second to last sentence I sent you yesterday, I said I was just going to “return it.” As in just send it back on my dime to get it over with.
(me)
whats taking so long?
I travel for work, sorry. The stock is on the way, no worries. Not trying to keep your stock!
Wow really? After what I told you via PM? I literally sent Keller from B5 a post when I found out the stock was bad from Grant over at G&R Tactical and as soon as Keller confirmed it I pm’ed you and one of the Mods here on M4C because I had an idea this was going to go south really quick.
I feel as though startedwith1 tried to scam me out of a CTR and MIAD with a obviously defective B5 SOPMOD that there is no doubt in my mind he knew was no good based on several of his PM’s.
So as he said I posted a CTR and MIAD for sale or in trade for a B5 SOPMOD. He made me an offer, I told him I would let him know because I was really looking for one with a QD.
One of the guys over on ARFCOM told me to be careful because there was a “bad batch” of B5’s floating around. I made sure to CLEARLY ask startedwith1 if his stock was good to go because I heard there might be some bad ones. His reply was that he had two of them new in the packages and that ALL B5 stocks fit tight at they might fit some Mil-Spec buffers better then others. I took this to mean it was current inventory and would be a good stock. He said he would mail it out that day on Friday which he did. Now I got home and realized I couldn’t find the main body to my MIAD so I checked the tracking number startedwith1 and provided to me and saw that the shipping info was only electronically received, meaning he has printed the label online but had not actually shipped it yet. I immediately PM’ed him and said DO NOT send the stock, I can’t find my MIAD. I told him I would look for it over the weekend and let him know.
So Monday rolls around and he finally replies saying he had already sent the stock. I checked the tracking again and learned that it was in my city, out for delivery.
OK no big deal told him I’d just go buy a new MIAD from my LGS is needed.
So I get home and open the package, stock looks good! Until… I tried to put it on my rifle. Sucker was so tight it would hardly slide on. The lock wouldn’t lock down and just rattled around so I tried it on another buffer tube, same results but I could NOT get it back off my buffer tube. I tried for an hour or two with the help of a buddy. We just couldn’t get it to budge.
We tried to remove the buttplate and tap it off with a bug punch while the lock was fully pulled out and all we did was bash the hell out of the back of my buffer tube.
I then proceeded to PM Keller, a rep of B5 Systems and told him my problems. I also made a post here, see post 372.
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=90341&page=19
Please note:
And the replies:
I then promptly passed this info on to startedwith1 who CLEARLY did not give a crap. All he was concerned about was I had not sent out my CTR and MIAD yet. Well you know what, it’s a damn good thing I didn’t I know now from your comment about this not being Wal-Mart, not being a try and buy that you would have NEVER had made good on the deal or returned my CTR and MIAD.
I’m currently out one smashed up buffer tube and I was suppose to be stuck paying money out or my pocket to return your defective crap?
Now I might have bought you saying oh, I’m sorry man I didn’t know but instead you told me to SAND OUT the inside of the stock because that is what you have to do sometimes.
I’m sorry, a good B5 Systems stock will fit ANY Mil-Spec tube.
Also I see what shady crap you tried to pull here too. You made sure to post this on THIS thread on purpose thinking it would make me look like I was a scammer. Anyone with a brain can clearly read the above post and will realize that the poster made a post claiming I had ripped him off. The rail was already in transit when he posted that and rather then to just say opps, I guess it was in transit when I posted that, he had to try to say I sold him some cut rate crap. Well that cut rate crap came from a vendor who traded me for a 3TB hard drive and I verified the rail was legit (pictures, serial etc) with KAC before trading for it. Thing was brand new in the box, I had it maybe a month or so.
You realize this makes you look bad here, not me right? Had you said opps, didn’t know sorry and ended it there I would have thought you didn’t know but no, you admitted to fitment issues, told me you had these issues on some of them and completely dodged my question about these being the “bad batch” by saying they were knew and ALL B5 stocks have this issue. Well I’m sorry man, Keller from B5 disagrees with you and is pretty sure B5 stocks FIT CORRECTLY if they are not defective junk that was suppose to be pitched in the trash.
I was being serious about alerting Failure2Stop and I clearly told him I expected you to pay the return shipping if you wanted this piece of crap back. I was totally going to stick to that but I finally agreed to send it back on MY DIME and leave you good feedback. Sorry man, I travel for work. Can’t help that. I wasn’t going to drop what I was going at work to mail a defective stock back on MY DIME. It was going to go out when I got back this week.
If anyone thinks I’m lying here, ask Keller from B5. I sent him a clear photo of the blue plastic bag this stock came in which contained all the lot numbers etc that show this stock was defective.
I asked all the right questions before agreeing to this deal and clearly got a deceptive reply that lead me to believe this was a current production good to go stock. Nope, wasn’t the case.
On a side note I was only PM’ed “ONE” time after all of this came to light and I made it clear I was not trading for a defective stock so it’s not like I’ve left anyone hanging here. Hell, I was very clear about what I wanted to have happen and why I felt I shouldn’t have to pay return shipping but after listening to whining I was going to try to work with him on this whole thing and look at the thanks I get…?! What the hell man?
I’d sort of like an apology here.
Oh I forgot the best part! How we finally got the stock off.
So we spared the hell out of the stock with CLP gun oil and let it run all down around the buffer and stock. Then I drove like 45 minutes over to a friends and borrowed this bench vise lower receive block that sticks up like a magazine and allows you to mount your AR in a vise. We removed the upper and my friend held onto the lower while I pulled on the stock REALLY HARD!
Finally it came flying off and I about fell over on the floor. I will admit, I kind of laughed a little even though I was pretty annoyed by everything.
Anyhoo, I had to replace the buffer tube on my Daniel Defense rifle with a BCM because I was worried the dent might have weakened the integrity of the buffer. I was concerned with cracking and the bolt blowing out the back.
Wasn’t too concerned about the actual replacement of the tube though, I had a spare BCM and I figured since I was the one who dented the hell out of my buffer, I’d eat the cost (about $40 dollars) on that one.
I would still sort of like an apology though. I asked all the right questions and you clearly had a disregard for ALL of the issues that I had and all of the time wasted and money lost. 
-i told you they are tight before we traded!
-you used my new stock before you sent out the ctr and miad
-you welched on a trade which you were worried i might back out early (ironic)
-you still haven’t send either your share of the trade or my “tampered stock by you” to me
mods, if your reading please justify. looks like we’re just repeating whats been said.
You just don’t seem to get why I’m pissed do you? I CLEARLY asked if this stock was part of the BAD BATCH I had heard about. Your reply was that the stock was tight and that ALL B5 SYSTEM STOCKS were tight like this and that your stock was new in the package.
You compared what I was getting to ALL OTHER B5 stocks on the market. Clearly what I got was not a good or accurate representation of what is currently on the market because Keller from B5 Systems gave me the following info which I will post once again:
He told me to throw it into the trash. Again for anyone who didn’t notce, Keller is a “Manufacturer” here on this forum, he works for B5 Systems. If anyone would know, he would and I trust his word.
Your solution was to sand out the inside of the stock to make it fit. WTF? Seriously? How is that tight like ALL other B5 System stocks? So I should believe all B5’s fit like this and sanding them out is the normal thing to have to do? Yeah, OK!
And I already told you your stock should be there shortly, I wasn’t going to bust my ass and drop what I was going to ship it back on MY DIME when I was told it was bad and should be thrown in the trash.
Yeah please, Mods, come on in! I PM’ed Failure2Stop again last night and asked if anyone could review this crap. I guess they are all busy.
its a no brainer that you already saved on shipping because you never shipped your end of the deal!
sounds to me your fighting to keep the CTR/miad and my B5. would be a nice plan if it worked out.
How does that even make any sense? How did I save anything? You want a break down of my “savings”?
-$40.00 dollars for the damaged buffer tube
- $25 dollars for gas to drive 106 miles round trip to borrow a bench vise AR lower block
- $9 dollars for return shipping (that was NOT one of the small flat rate boxes, it was the next size up)
If not wanting to honor a deal for a defective stock that I asked if it was defective makes me a welch, I think most of the M4C members would consider themselves welches. You should NOT have to ever sand out a Mil-Spec stock to make it fit on any buffer tube, ever. That is not normal by any means.
Apparently you missed the part where I have repeatedly said I’d pay to return this at more cost out of my pocket but I wasn’t going to drop what I was doing at work to go to the Post Office and loose more money and time on the deal. It will be there, unfortunately at my cost. :mad:
One of my co-workers just read all of this and made a comment to me saying that apparently if I’m willing to pay for this to get returned, I must be more concerned with you getting it back then you are. He said he wouldn’t even bother and that I should have just stuck it in a box and wait for you to send a call tag based on our correspondence.
time is an essence for you to return my property! or follow through with the deal. bottom line!
Go threw with the deal? Ummm, I don’t even have a response for that.
You will have your stock shortly. You may have to sign for it though.
As a general rule of thumb and this is NOT directed towards anyone but if a seller posts something for sale and someone contacts them looking to buy or trade, the seller who posted the ad would expect payment upfront before shipping. With trades I generally am a little more relaxed but after this whole mess I’m going to stick by the payment upfront regardless if it’s money or a trade. If someone won’t deal, say thank you and move on because there is always someone else out there who will.
Thanks to everyone who has enjoyed reading this and given me support even if it wasn’t publicly posted on the forum.
This is currently being looked at by mods and staff.
That said, the stock was returned a while ago to the P.O. Box number provided to me. Just hadn’t been around to mention it.
I never heard anything more so I assume it made it. I did get confirmation and a receipt if it didn’t show up.
Failure2Stop, thanks man!