Rider handled it well, better than I would have. Tough guy turns cold after finding out moto rider was recording and ends up looking like Gollum at one point lol. Footage starts at :50
Would it have been a good shoot if the rider was carrying? I don’t know if all of the elements were present considering the rider sounded much younger, was wearing protective gear, and it was 2 on 1.
Good on the ride for keeping calm and diffusing the situation though.
The rider handled it incredibly well, and the video of the whole incident is extremely valuable.
Depending on the state laws it probably would have been a legitimate self-defense shooting, since it appears as if the rider was physically attacked without any provocation. Yeah, the guy’s older and no weapon is visible, but he’s obviously strong enough and crazy enough to make a physical attack (not like he’s in a wheelchair) and an unprovoked attack like that would make me in fear for my life.
Hopefully the crazy guy will get the cool down time he needs, maybe some mental health work if he needs it, and lose his license.
Edit to add: in late summer 2014 there was a “road rage” incident in Michigan where two white guys, one 69 and one 43, got in a fight over nothing. It appears that the old guy started it and was looking for a fight, the 43yo guy argued with him, and at some point the older guy pulled his pistol and shot and killed the younger guy. The old guy was charged with murder and pleaded self defense. He claimed that the 43yo guy had physically attacked him, but as far as I’m aware there was no evidence of this, and witnesses testified that he had not. The jury didn’t buy the self defense claim - nor do I think they should have.
bystander in a car was behind gollum, too risky. Could use your head literally like this video 
Yeah, that dude would have been toast after the first hit. I really don’t care what his problem is at that point.
nimdabew
“Would it have been a good shoot if the rider was carrying? I don’t know if all of the elements were present considering the rider sounded much younger, was wearing protective gear, and it was 2 on 1”
On the basis of what’s shown it does not appear the actions of the older driver meet the criteria of “great bodily injury” or “posing an imminent threat to life.”
If he attempted to drive into or ram the motorcyclists, or produced a weapon or tool to use against them, then I believe the criteria for justfiable homicide is met at least for California.
Same for the reverse, the motorcyclists would have to pose an imminent threat to the driver. In court, it would weigh heavily against the driver that he exited his vehicle and approaches the two riders, essentially becoming the antagonist.
In the greater scheme of things, sometimes it’s just better to avoid or ignore assholes and jerks on the road. Not worth it unless they came after you then it’s another story.
As for myself, I never ride a motorcycle without a pistol.
Link: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/8/1/s197
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
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Homicide is justifiable when committed by public officers and
those acting by their command in their aid and assistance, either– -
In obedience to any judgment of a competent Court; or,
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When necessarily committed in overcoming actual resistance to
the execution of some legal process, or in the discharge of any other
legal duty; or, -
When necessarily committed in retaking felons who have been
rescued or have escaped, or when necessarily committed in arresting
persons charged with felony, and who are fleeing from justice or
resisting such arrest. -
Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases: -
When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or, -
When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person,
against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or
surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends
and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter
the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any
person therein; or, -
When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the
person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant
or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was
committed; or, -
When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
the peace.
self control !!!
I think in many situations that older guy would have been pounded unconscious ! and its what he deserved for doing that
In FL, with stand your ground laws, that guy would be hanging out with Trayvon. If you attack me without provocation, I have to assume you mean the worst and I don’t have time to play 20 questions to figure out why you are attacking me.
I can’t imagine watching someone push my wife and just yelling “Stop”. I guess he used a lot of restraint, but he should not have held back.
Put me in the “I don’t want to shoot anyone unless it’s absolutely necessary, and that encounter doesn’t look like it was necessary” camp.
Props to the rider, seriously. Most groups I used to ride would have started shooting by the time he got to the bike.
Did the old guy end up in jail? I hope so.
Amen!
Dude clearly had issues beyond whats going on here.
But he would have been toast the moment he touched my wife/girlfriend.
Not sure how many of you actually have been in a situation comparable like that, but i can tell you when you’re actually in it vs on your keyboard in the comfort of you home taking it easy, plenty of time to think its a whole new ballgame.
Things are a bit different when shit gets real.
Simply put: if de-escalation is ineffective you WILL go down. How is anyone to know a knife, gun etc isnt about to be introduced, you going to do what-wait for it?
Allowing an assailant to get that close defies every self-defense rule. Unless of course no one is armed. As was the case here…
My guess is that if the rider pulled a weapon, the old guy would have backed away, wet himself and ran back to his car. I think the old guy was drunk.
A friend of mine recently sold his bike because of how crappy drivers on the road acted towards him. No one ever sees bike riders.
Old guy would have initiated the police call as well, and the ending could have been different until review of the tape was conducted. Guy on the bike did just fine.
I am 100% on the motorcyclists side but I am curious on how this one would play out. The only reason I say this is because in the process of taking this ass to the ground it appears he was choking the old man to some extent to restrain him. This video will be used as evidence and I would hate for this to get flipped on the motorcyclist. In Texas putting your hands or hand around someone’s throat can qualify as attempted murder as apposed to using your forearm.
Good on the motorcyclist. I’m impressed by how he handled the situation.
I rode motorcycles for a couple years and really loved it, but parked them and later sold them because of the danger from other drivers. I don’t remember any road rage problems, just a ton of carelessness.
The old guy in the video looks to be maybe 5’9" and 180lbs. I am quite a bit larger than that but I’m not sure I could keep my touring bike upright if I had been shoved from the side at a stoplight like the rider here was (note: my touring bike had a 34" seat height, harder to hold up than a cruiser). If I got toppled over I would be pinned under a 600lb bike and an assailant could have killed or crippled me with fists, rocks, a knife, or any other weapon. Awful place to be. In hindsight, I think the rider here probably should have been more defensive than he was.
I’m curious to see the footage that led up to all this. Interesting that it has been omitted. I also noticed that it starts out with the motorcyclist looking back at the driver. Why would he be looking back if he genuinely felt he did nothing wrong? Unless, of course, he knew that he just pissed someone off behind him. For the record, I’m not condoning the old man’s actions, and he got what he deserved, just that I feel there’s more to the story here.
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Fighting with a full face helmet on - leave your helmet on with the face shield down so the other guy can’t grab the face bar and use it to swing you around. Wearing an MX helmet, get it unstrapped so you can slip out of it. Open face or shorty/strap off - the guy can grab the lips and man handle you pretty easy - you go where the head goes.