Introducing the only magazine-fed shotgun built on the pedigree of the world’s strongest, smoothest, and most reliable pump shotgun. Featuring a detachable magazine system and fire controls designed from the ground, up available with 3-, and 6-round mags. It’s the fastest response time of any pump shotgun in history, and the ultimate choice for a home defense shotgun.
It isn’t my cup o’ tea but I can see some utility for HD -
A mag reload, while probably not quicker than a traditional combat load, is undoubtedly quicker than a tube reload. Plus it gives you 6 new round versus the one or two of the combat load.
It would be quicker to do a complete ammo change over, rather than a select-slug drill.
It would enable those that wish to store their ammo and weapon separately to put their shotgun into action more quickly.
It gives Walter Mitty shot gun shooters the ability to have a war belt, chest rig and BOB to use for TEOTWAWKI scenarios.
Despite those possibilities it will flop. I wonder if they had a hard time convincing Magpul to make the mags?
Unless this thing is held to a much high standard for QC/QA then the 870 Express line, it can go suck a donkey’s dick because there ain’t a damn thing that they make currently that I would be wanting to buy. Which sad, because Rem has some legit good options, but they are getting to be like beretta, they can’t market sex, let alone their own guns and ammo and whoever is in their marketing department probably needs to go suck start one of their own gauges because they have made some terminally stupid decisions in the past few years.
Could be a winner of it works and 3 gun doesn’t start leaning more towards 2 gun. I don’t think anyone can reload a tube faster than they can drop a magazine and stick a new one in. May be a good interim option For home defense in states where self loading rifles are effectively banned before they ban shotguns too.
Manual shotguns upgraded for the 20th Century. Pump 870s aren’t new, they were in Canada IIRC for awhile. The reason that they weren’t in the US was some ruling on it not being a shotgun, but a DD or something. Or there was the concern that it wouldn’t pass the sportster clause.
I hate tube loading shotgun shells. It just isn’t a skill that I have been willing to put the time in to learn and maintain.
Mag fed and 870 and current remington makes me worry about it actually working.
To me, this is the way to save shotguns for 3-gun. The main reason I don’t shoot three-gun and stick to USPSA Carbine, PRS and pistol matches is that I don’t want to screw around with learning a tube feed shotgun technique or put the money into a SA monstrosity. If they make these legal for base set-ups for 3-gun, that might draw more people in.
I like Magpul forearms for flexibility. Have MOE’s for lights all the time and being able to pop a finger operated turkey call mounted on a Troy rail cover on the the opposite side in the spring.
The butts are ok, but can’t justify the cost combined with losing the Remington SuperCell butt pad which works well.
I just got an email today, that is why I came here. Looks a little Franken gun with that mag well. I wonder if they could be converted to standard. Haven’t looked on Brian ENos about these yet. It would be nice if these kept you out of the open category. Maybe limit it to 6 round mags to give a parity with tube loaders who can load 9 to start IIRC.
Everything is mags today. Like I said, tube to mag happened for rifles around the end of the 19th century.
None of these seems especially spec’ed out for 3gun comps. The Comps would make them OPen class if nothing else, IIRC.
The main benefit of this gun is that my dreams where the zombies come and I only have a pump shotgun, I might survive now.
If these are reliable they offer a lot of advantages. 1. greater magazine capacity in short barrel shotguns, 2. much faster reloading. 3. the ability to switch ammo faster. Now a select slug drill will give you an entire mag of slugs instead of 1.
3 round magazine would still get a person in trouble with migratory birds.
Now, if Remington had incorporated the magazine tube (since it has to stay anyways) to function with the box magazine they may have had something. But as it sits, I just don’t get it.
I wouldn’t say impossible but, the working model I have in my noggin would require the box magazine to be in for rounds to load from the tube.
Hang with me here.
The lifter is in the empty box mag. During the rearward stroke of the pump, the box mag follower is pressed downwards by the action bar. A round loads into the box mag from the tube mag under spring tension by way of a tripped tube shutoff catch. Round then loads from box mag into chamber on forward stroke.
Box mag body would need relieved to receive rounds from front, action bar linkage devised and a empty box mag trip to release rounds from tube but only when a box mag is installed.
Lets just be real honest with ourselves… This is entirely catering to the Walking Dead/Mall Ninja crowd. Especially with their blunderbuss special.
MagPul got a check, so they made the magazines. Companies do things to get paid now, or if there is a large enough market for the future. See: MagPul’s foray into Glock magazines. They didn’t need a check for that one, they knew the market existed in a big way. This monstrosity? They got paid. If I could write them a big enough check they would knock out some mags for the MP5 that didn’t cost an arm and a leg. Counter intuitive, as that money could just go to buying HK mags at full price, but what if I knew that I could sell a hundred thousand of them.