I’m looking to purchase my first M4 in the next few months and I’m looking for suggestions. My budget is between $800 and $1100 but I would prefer to stay under $1000. Looking for an M4 flattop with 16" barrel and detachable carry handle. Would prefer a mil-spec barrel with 1:7 but would consider a 4140 barrel with 1:9. Looking for the highest quality rifle possible. Will either buy complete rifle or buy the complete upper and lower separately and build. Researched a fair amount of brands and came down with a short list. Please let me know what you think and if you have another recommendation.
To purchase complete:
CD M4 or M4LE
SW MP15
ADS M4 (Dont know to much about these but reviews from this site have been very good)
Armalite M15
To build using complete upper and lowers:
CMMG
LMT
ADS
Would consider CD but haven’t been able to find any for sale yet.
I have also looked at the usual suspects at various gun stores like DPMS, Olympic, Bushmaster, and RRA but have eliminated them from the list because it seems like neglect numerous features in their rifles.
If you can give us a few more weeks, say to the 2nd week of July, we will have complete uppers ready for sale direct to the consumer right from our website.
Also, our new complete lightweights are now less than a month away with the new middy’s about 6 seeks away. All of these new builds will be 1:7 twist, 4150, M4 Feedramps (we have seen the light) along wiht all the little things we’re now know to pay attention to, like gas carrier key and castle nut staking, proper F FSB, etc.
So, a D-M4LE might suit you now, wait for a lower and upper you can assemble yourself, or wait for the new builds that will also be highly desirable,
Take your time, just make sure you’re waiting for a Daly!
P.S. I’ll get a teaser announcement of all the new builds out later this week.
Are you one in the same that imported Hungarian AK’s into the U.S back in the mid-late 80’s? If so, I had one and regret everyday that I got rid of it.
Charles Daly looks very promising…You could also go for S&W M&P-15, or have Jon at Anvil build you one - the examples I’ve seen of Anvil builds have been sweet. Looking forward to mine…
Look in the Member Sale section. USMC03 has two very solid 16" Middy’s. I would jumped on them, but with my recent purchase(s), my wife would eject me on the couch for an indefinate amount of time (and I like my king-sized pillow top).
Yes sir. My father’s old company, Kassnar Imports, imported the pre-ban SA85M Hungarian AKM’s in the mid-80’s and our company, KBI, imported the post-ban SA-85M’s and SA-2000’s.
A few months ago I sold a set of serial number 1’s, one folder and one pistol grip, and already I’m sorry I did.
We would never do anything to upset the wholesaler or dealer with our direct online sales. Our prices online will be at MSRP. If anyone wants to buy non-FFL items from us at full retail, we will take the order, as we have always done for spare magazines and choke tubes. I would be very surprised if anyone would pay full retail for an upper. The consumer will always be able to buy from a dealer at much lower prices than he would be able to buy from us.
Check the pricing on anything we sell and you let me know if you can’t buy something from one of our wholesalers, make a profit, and undercut our MSRP.
Which of your dealers and wholesalers will be getting the CD complete uppers and lowers? Second, I don’t know if you disclose this but what would be a fair market price for them?
Buy the CD. I have 2 of their rifles, and I couldn’t be happier. They make a great product and their customer service is top notch. Mr. Kassnar is a great guy.
So far, wholesalers who have committed for the complete uppers and complete lowers:
JSC (Jerry’s Sport Center, Forest City, PA) and their other locations which include:
Bonitz Brothers-Harrisburg, PA
Simmons Gun Specialties-Spring Hill, KS
OSHI (Outdoor Sports Headquarter’s Inc.) Dayton, OH
and
Banger’s - Birmingham, AL
AcuSport - Bellefontaine, OH
Wholesalers typically work on very slim margins with the intent of “turning” their inventory several times a year.
It really is not for us to set a Fair Market Value. I’m a firm believer in free market capitalism. We set “Suggested” prices, but they are just that, “Suggested”. The real world will determine the FMV. I am not a fan of MAP for this same reason.
Being a Mathews Archery dealer I have to agree with you about MAP. I seem to have issues with it if not monthly possibly weekly. Please if you could forward any info to my email in my profile. Thanks in advance
If you really believed that, why would your company even bother?
Operating a retail shop is difficult enough without having to compete with the manufacturer whose products we stock.
Because you wouldn’t believe the number of knuckleheads that will only buy directly from a manufacturer. My company (non firearms related) sells 98% of our products through distributors and wholesalers, but we still offer our products on our website for substantially more than they can be had with our dealers. We do so because we got tired of dealing with phone calls from customers demanding that we do it.
None of our dealers care because they sell it for substantially less than we allow people to buy directly. I can’t force a guy to go to a dealer and I sure as hell won’t turn away business, but I can make it so costly that most rational people won’t consider it. There is nothing you can do about those customers anyway.
I personally have zero issue with a manufacturer selling direct AS LONG AS they follow MSRP. Most consumers are wise enough to NEVER pay these prices.
Just about every manufacturer in the firearms business (from gear/parts to guns) sells directly. Some do it upfront with their website and others do it behind closed doors.
So I wouldn’t throw CD under the bus for doing what everyone else already does.
Because for every one of you that wants to stir the pot and find excuses to get upset there’s some other customer that winds up bitching “why don’t you sell direct”.
This is definitely one of those “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situations, but IMHO CD is choosing the lesser of the two evils.
You have no idea. I am fairly certian that I could write a book about what I know of the “tactical firearms/gear industry” and people would read it cover to cover (twice).
