Grapefruit is good for you in many other ways as well. The vitamin C and fiber you get from grapefruit is another added plus of eating this fruit.
I devour several Texas Ruby Reds a week…yum!
Grapefruit is great food, but do be sure that any meds (even OTC stuff) do not have a bad reaction. Seems grapefruit often speeds uptake of, or blocks the uptake of, or intensifies the effects of some meds.
http://www.medicinenet.com/grapefruit_juice_and_medication_interactions/views.htm
http://www.drugs.com/article/grapefruit-drug-interactions.html
http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/grapefruit-juice-and-medication
You are kidding, right? Please tell me you are kidding.
The only thing L-Carnitine will lighten is your wallet.
The only legal “fat burner” worth anything is an EC stack and the real benefit from that is the increased energy and decreased appetite. Yeah you have to change your lifestyle to keep the weight off but your lifestyle doesn’t need to be sustaining a caloric deficit so there is nothing wrong with this type of help for losing some weight.
Your statement is false. I’d be happy to provide more research references for you if you’d like.
Stephen’s Group (Centre for Integrated Systems Biology and Medicine) research:
Insulin stimulates L-carnitine accumulation in human skeletal muscle, Stephens FB, Constantin-Teodosiu D, Laithwaite D, Simpson EJ & Greenhaff PL, FASEB J 20, 2006 377–379
An Acute Increase in Skeletal Muscle Carnitine Content Alters Fuel Metabolism in Resting Human Skeletal Muscle, Stephens FB, Constantin-Teodosiu D, Laithwaite D, Simpson EJ & Greenhaff PL, J Clin Endocrinol Metab 91, 2006 5013–5018
A threshold exists or the stimulatory effect of insulin on plasma L-carnitine clearance in humans, Stephens FB, Constantin-Teodosiu D, Laithwaite D, Simpson EJ & Greenhaff PL, Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab, Feb 2007; 292: E637 - E641
Carbohydrate ingestion augments L-carnitine retention in humans, Stephens FB, Evans CE, Constantin-Teodosiu D & Greenhaff PL, J Appl Physiol 102, 2007 1065–1070
The guy asked for thermogenics. Everyone said there is none that work, and that is bs. Is DNP dangerous? Yes. how many of you have used ephedrine when it was readily available? More than likely most of you, whether you know it or not. Has ephedrine killed people? Yes. Is ephedrine dangerous? Yes. Ephedrine is still available at pharmacy’s.
What about DMAA? If you ever used the original oxy elite pro, or jack3d you have used DMAA. Its no longer sold, because people died from it. How many of you drink alcohol? It kills more people daily than DNP does yearly. Ther also have been some recent studies on a time release version of DNP that is much safer.
When I brought up DNP, I specifically said its dangerous. I said do your research. I didnt say bro go to this website order crystalline DNP, and start at xxxmg twice a day. I said the onus is on you to do it safely. All I provided was a name. The shit you buy at GNC is mostly just a way to seperate your money from your wallet. There are a few things I would buy at a retail supplement shop like creatine monohydrate, BCAA’s, along with just 1 or 2 others.
some people are willing to take more risks than others, and im generally one of those people. I don’t take the risks litely, I do a lot of research, and I am very careful. Without risk there is no reward.
From.what I have read l-carnitine does have a positive effect on weight loss. It is probably similar to all the other non stimulant weight loss products, like CLA. L- carnitine is not going to magically make the weight go away, nothing will. Bottom line is you must burn more than you consume. Even the best thermogenic can not cause weight loss on it own. I realize this is not bodybuilding.com which inhad no idea about until Mr. Brink posted it. I checked it out but im definitely not a member.
Here is a more frienly combo to help loose weight. Im not the man who created this stack, and im not taking any credit for it. Chromium picolinate, synephrine, and egcg (green tea extract). Chromium picolinate 800mcg daily, synephrine 10mg daily ( first couple days to judge tolerance, if tolerated well you can go to 20mg), egcg 600mg daily (the green tea extract must have 600mg of egcg not total grean tea extract). If you take fish oil take the grean tea extract egcg with the fish oil to help with bio availability.
WARNINGS
If you are diabetic consult with your doctor before using crhomium. You should monitor your blood pressure, and if you have high blood pressure avoid synephrine.
These products are all available in any health food store.
Edit: Mr. Brink it was not a post to troll, and I intentionally tried to make sure that when I posted I stated that these products can be dangerous. This is also why I didn’t state where to get it, or how to use it. I read your blog quite frequently, and never post anywhere as a troll. I see no danger in the information I posted, there was no doses recommended, no info on where to obtain said product, and I clearly stated it is not to be taken litely. Out of the 5 products I brought up 4 of them can be used very safely, and are in use daily by millions of people. One is borderline, but when brought up I made sure to emphasize the risk involved if anyone decided to look into it.
The research just doesn’t back up the claims that it is worth buying. Feel free to peruse the references attached to those claims in the link below.
http://examine.com/supplements/L-Carnitine#summary6-0
It doesn’t really matter to me if you buy it or not but the science is there and it says to save your money.
If you look at it by itself I’d agree with you. But, couple it with insulin, and it’s a completely different story, from what I’ve read. A couple of other studies you might find interesting.
Brass EP, Hoppel CL & Hiatt WR (1994), Effect of intravenous L-carnitine on carnitine homeostasis and fuel metabolism during exercise in humans, Clin Pharmacol Ther 55, 681–692
Wachter S, Vogt M, Kreis R, Boesch C, Bigler P, Hoppeler H & Krahenbuhl S (2002), Long-term administration of L-carnitine to humans: effect on skeletal muscle carnitine content and physical performance, Clin Chim Acta 318, 51–61
Anything can be dangerous, but there’s a risk to benefit that has to be factored in and the risk/benefit for what you were recommending, not in favor of their use to drop a few lbs. Combined together, very dangerous indeed. I’m totally Libertarian about such things, have no issues with ASS, PEDs, etc in the right context for the right people, made aware of the (potential) risks and monitored by someone who knows what they are doing.
Mentioning DNP, Clen, T3/T4, etc in a thread of a person asking about weight loss supps and how to lose a few lbs and such, in my view (I’m not a mod here) a very bad idea and down right irresponsible and that’s not even including the legality of such things.
You’re initial thought to not post such info was the correct one in my view.
in the post above this one irish mentions mixing insulin, and l-carnitine for weight loss. This is not a shot at you irish insulin is great, and I will be jumping on some insulin this coming winter. I would argue that insulin is far more dangerous than DNP. Your knowledge of these subjects is not even comparable to whag I know. You have a far greater knowledge than I will ever have. I also have never heard of using insulin to lose weight, only for gaining. Like I said earlier irish im not attacking you or trying to say your wrong, I just never heard of it.
He means carnitine in the presence of secreted insulin not injected, at least I hope so… If he, or anyone else, was planning to use injected insulin and ingest carnitine as a method of weight loss, then there may be a Darwin award in the wait.
No sweat man. Just offering a different perspective. 
Im always open to hearing about different perspectives.
I’m no health expert, can’t help as far as supplements, and I welcome any input on this, but I have dropped 40 lbs since last summer by eating better and until recently, only moderately increasing exercise…
My main focal points;
- Don’t drink calories… drink a ton of water, cut the alcohol almost completely (almost…), cut the sodas 100% and juices as much as possible,
- No fast food
- No junk food if I can help it (I’m human)
- A lot of veggies… I’m blowing more money on broccoli and zucchini than ammo. Luckily, I like veggies.
- Leaner meats… Chicken, venison, and fish are pretty much the only meats I eat.
- Always eat a high-protein breakfast and have healthy snacks through the day.
- And last but not least, MOVING! Hiking and mountain biking are my two favorite activities, and I try to do either one at least 3 times a week. Also recently joined a gym, so getting 7 day a week exercise.
Like I said… I’m not an expert at all, this is just what has been working for me and what I focused on before I even realized I was losing weight. Not counting calories, or “sticking to a diet”, just found myself uncomfortable with the amount of shit I was putting in me. I know this doesn’t answer OP’s question, but I feel it worth sharing anyway.
This is the way to do it. Its a lifestyle change not a diet. I have used a lot of different things, but I generally use them for the last couple pounds that are harder to lose. You can use all kinds of different supplements, but if your not committed to a lifestyle change you will be back where you started eventually. I just wish gaining was as easy as losing. Eating 4000 clean calories daily is much harder than limiting calories.
Interesting thread.
I didn’t read its entirety, but is there a reason why weight loss supplement is necessary (for the OP) instead of changing lifestyle and diet??
+10000
My only suggestion is simple: EAT BETTER AND BE ACTIVE.
If you need supplements for weight loss, go for it. Just be aware of the risks. I do not know or take any of them, but a few years ago when I tried Hydroxicut it gave me chest pains (and I’m a relatively healthy and active guy with no medical issues).
The combination of eating healthy and exercising/being active is the best solution without having to take any supplements. My brother-in-law who is quite overweight has lost nearly 40lbs by just eating healthier w/o exercising.
I don’t know about the OP but everyone wants the easy way out. Get rich quick…ect.
That is why the supplement industry is so big.
And thats why many people are overweight too…
Fads can only last so long. Lifestyle changes is more permanent and effective.
This is very similar to what I do. I exercise 4-5 times a week. Lift at least 3 of those. You don’t have to quit alcohol. Just don’t drink a case of beer every night.
All very good advice and mirrors my experience. I’m getting to the point that I don’t feel like I need cheat days anymore. I eat clean, and when something comes up I just do it. But I know how to manage now.
I’ll add to the above post is eat every 3 hours. That is so huge. I over eat when I’m hungry. So I don’t get hungry anymore but I eat a bunch of clean food that isn’t empty calories.
You have to find what works for you. Sweets and bread hit me hard. I can eat brown rice and fruit till the cows come home. Another thing I’ve found is a fiber additive. I take citrucel. I know, seems dumb, but it helps me feel full and adds water to the intake.
I don’t count calories our any of that non sense. Learn to cook. Keep many types of seasoning. Take food with you. Meal prep.
Don’t sit on your ass.
Last step is win and enjoy your better life. Better sex (when your old lady checks you out and tries to be coy about it, and that hasn’t happened in the almost the last decade, that’s an amazing feeling,)people treating you better, and positive attention from women. No down sides, all up. Well, having to buy all new clothes. That part kinda sucks money wise, but it is fun to dress better.
Alcohol was the hardest part to get in moderation, and that only worked by giving it up for awhile. Going from an entire fifth of whiskey at a party to trying to stay moderate wasn’t happening, I just had to quit for a bit. Coming back in 6 months later, seeing how I felt without that, it’s a lot easier to not give in to “well… one more shot…” Still, I’ll do an extra few miles of cardio if I know I’ll be tempted later.
But yeah, eating constantly is such an overlooked thing, and I can absolutely attest that if you go into every meal hungry, you’re going to eat like it. Should start a thread dedicated to posting go-to snacks for losing or gaining.
And also, I guess I completely overlooked it myself, but learning to cook is huge. I haven’t even thought about it until right now, but that pretty much came with trying to eat healthier. It’s hard to get a healthy meal out, and cooking for yourself gives so much control. No bread basket in front of me, a lot less sodium, a lot less butter, and I can use better ingredients. I will say though that counting calories does have a place early on… Finding your general daily caloric intake will let you see how you can distribute those calories in a better way, and also, how you can make the most out of those calories… I recorded everything for a week, looked at what I could cut out and what I could re-distribute into better snacks and meals, and truthfully never gave calories another thought. It just helped a lot in structuring a routine.
A good thing that I’ve done is ditch sodas. I treat myself to a soda and caffeine on Fridays. I drink a dr pepper or redbull (yours may vary) I cut out drinking unless it’s a special occasion and started to watch what I was eating. And that included fast food and only limited to subway for a convenient fast meal. It’s not how many calories it’s what kind are they. I’m sure you have a plan already and I didn’t read all 6 pages. Just thought I’d chime in what worked for me. A good multi vitamin or vita pack helps too. Being healthy will help your body set into a natural groove
Another thing, if you work for it and make a lifestyle change not a quick fix you’ll appreciate the results no matter how small
I drink only water otherwise