receiver extension legality question

General Firearms NFA
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I own a colt le6920. 100% box stock, actually i havent even ever fired it.

I just built a bcm lower (which i actually ordered from g&r with NO STOCK chosen on the options list), and basically mated it to a 11.5" upper i built at the same time. when the lower came to my local ffl, it was marked on whatever paperwork as an other.

so now i have a 100% complete rifle and a 100% complete pistol ar.

my question is, is the regular old m4 carbine reciever extension legal to have on my ar pistol?

I believe im 100% legal.

I believe that my colt le6920 stock is completing my le6920 rifle. its not just some stock laying around, its actually part of a complete gun.

I also believe the atf doesnt give a shit what R.E. is installed on your ar pistol, so long as it doesnt have a stock on it.

I would like to further clarify, that I do not have any other ar stocks at all that i own, not here, not somewhere else, none. Just one ar15, and this ar15 pistol.

ive gotten into a bit of a pissing match on another forum in regards to a picture i posted of my collection, and try as i might to instill correct info (unless im wrong here…) im getting beaten down by idiots.

so… what say you (because the people on the other forum said if i posted it on m4c i would be put in my place…).

this is the actual photo in question:

furthermore, if I am truly in the wrong, I will be purchasing a pistol tube or at least removing the locking holes on the bottom of the R.E.

Thanks

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I am sure the scaremongers will be around soon enough to tell you about constructive intent or possession and that a prison cell is already waiting with your name on it.

  1. Don’t broadcast it to the world.

  2. Print a copy of the legal definition of what a pistol is to show anyone who may become curious.

  3. Don’t worry about it.

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thanks, precisely my thoughts, based on a thread you posted in a while back that was around 3 pages long.

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You have a pistol lower for your pistol upper, that you use as a pistol. You also own other rifles and pistols.

It generally requires playing lots of other stupid games before the BATFE starts showing up to deliver stupid prizes.

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Hate to say it, but in this case, you are setting yourself up.

A rifle extension is designed to attach a stock. A pistol extension is not. Which makes them 2 very different things in the eyes of the law.
Why not throw an AFG on there too, as it’s not a ‘vertical grip’ forward of the mag well.

Remember, all it takes is one person at the range (or someone who sees it anywhere) bringing this to the attention of someone in LE to complicate your day.

Not saying that you will have a NKW at 0 dark 30, or that they will shoot your cat,or you will get 10/10K, but when a pistol extension is so easy to get, why screw around.

And since you didn’t list where you are from, I’ll take a blind stab based on your user name, and say that you live in the ever gun and freedom loving state of Il, and we all know that you can’t legally own an SBR in that fine state.

Just remember, It doesn’t have to really be illegal when dealing with the cops, as they have the power to make your life hell, right or wrong. And the BATFE can make it much worse.

Better yet, why don’t you send a letter to the tech branch and get an opinion right from the horse’s mouth? Then keep the letter with the gun if anyone challenges you?

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Really? Maybe you should read some of the stuff that is already out there. Especially as it applies to pistols/SBR’s and what not.

I assume that you do know that the BATFE has also sent out letters that actually contradict what others in the BATFE have already put out there.

Can you point to one LEGITIMATE case where someone with an AR pistol and standard carbine extension was charged?

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Iraqgunz, Thats what I was thinking also, I have read those regs and as far as I can remember, I dont remember it saying anythning about the stock differences, if its that big of a issue, wrap some foam around it.

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Exactly, I wish we would stop thinking up ways for the ATF or whoever to expand on the meaning of their laws. In New York we argue about silly shit like whether pinning stocks is “permanent enough” or if we should use a gallon of epoxy and “blind pin” as opposed to simply driving a roll pin through the stock and RE. If a cop can’t adjust your stock without a toolbox full of tools it’s non-adjustable. If your pistol doesn’t have a stock on it it’s a pistol, if it does it’s an sbr. If your wife’s rifle has a stock that could be attached to your rifle it doesn’t make your pistol a rifle.

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Sure, read some stuff that someone else said, that’s the ticket.

Sorry, but in this case, it’s not all that gray, as the only reason to have a RIFLE extension on a lower is to attach a STOCK, which makes the firearm in question a SBR.

As I said, he is free to do what he wants. It’s not my ass that is in a sling if someone with the power to arrest him makes a case out of it.
But it’s pretty stupid to say there is not a thing wrong with doing what he is doing when we all know that it’s asking for trouble, especially when the pistol tubes are easy to get. If it wasn’t an issue, why are there even pistol tubes? Hmmm…

Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way… but if you want to over think it, be my guest. I know your area of expertise is in fixing the guns, so I will keep listening to your advice on malfunction correction.

As for the conflicting letter issue, yea, i have heard a whisper or two over the years about that… Like I said, if he submits a letter, the answer he gets is applicable ONLY to him, and that is why he should keep the letter if it says it’s kosher to have a RIFLE extension on a PISTOL. If it says otherwise, then he will have his answer FOR HIM.

As I said, you want to play word games, throw an AFG on an AR pistol. After all, it’s not a VERTICAL pistol grip, so it must be alright…

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If the BATFE can’t get your gun to fire more than one round with each pull of the trigger without a toolbox full of tools, it’s not a machine gun… but we all know that isn’t the case…

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[QUOTE=Iraqgunz;1434031]I am sure the scaremongers will be around soon enough to tell you about constructive intent or possession and that a prison cell is already waiting with your name on it.

[b]1. Don’t broadcast it to the world.

  1. Print a copy of the legal definition of what a pistol is to show anyone who may become curious.

  2. Don’t worry about it.[/[/b]QUOTE]Well I suggest 1. Don’t broadcast it to the world.

  3. Print a copy of the legal definition of what a pistol is to show anyone who may become curious.

  4. Don’t worry about it…

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? I have no idea what that means.:confused:

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in reference to your stock statement…

It means that the BATFE has been known to go to extraordinary measures to make weapons that do not meet the definition of a MG meet that requirement, so it’s no stretch of the imagination for them to say if a receiver extension is, by design, made to accept a stock, that having one on a ‘pistol’ lower constitutes possession of an SBR.

It’s pretty easy to say to a group of 12 people that the sole purpose of having a rifle extension on a firearm is to facilitate the use of a stock, and have them believe that, because that is what it is designed for.

Like I said, the only way to know, in this particular case, is to ask. Then, if the tech branch says it’s not an issue, the OP has it in writing and can provide that if any LE ever questions the legality. If they say it’s not legal, then he can buy a pistol tube and be in compliance, and avoid any hassles.

I don’t really care what the OP decides to do, but he came here asking, and posting pics, of his set up, and rather than take the word of some random person off the net, I simply said that the only way to know is to ask.
The OP is the one risking

I’m not the one looking at a potential felony and loss of rights, or the legal bill to fight it.

And the OP apparently lives in Il, if his screen name is an indication of where he lives, and Il doesn’t even allow civi ownership of NFA items, so the locals can shaft him too if they feel like it.

But hey, feel free to play with a bunch of people who have no qualms about burning down a house with men, women, and children in it…

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Why even risk it? You can spend $25 at Palmetto and get a pistol receiver extension and save yourself any possible future headaches.

Spikes sells a pistol extension also, I thing you’re playing with fire and to spend 25 bux to not get burnt is well worth the money.

A good attorney is around $400/hour

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dont have a pistol AR but if I did, this is the RE that I’d want http://www.lwrci.com/p-244-gse-pistol-buffer-recoil-kit.aspx Its only 4inches long…Thats what she said :dance3:

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Actually the OP doesn’t live in Illinois, just like I don’t live in Iraq. He lives in an NFA friendly state. You’re wrong on many accounts.

Can you provide any cases where someone was actually prosecuted for having a carbine or rifle extension on an AR pistol?

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I hear this often enough, but when I read about specific examples it’s usually not the case. Most times it turns out that people are trying to get around the laws. If I have an AR that has a FCG that is worn or altered to fire burst or full auto and I continue to use it, I cant blame BATFE. Being in compliance of the law is just that. Why are people so scared of being unlawfully arrested and charged with crimes? Am I missing something? How often does the BATFE arrest people for not being in “extra” compliance? Christ next thing you’ll tell me is to make sure my barrel is 16.5" long to avoid being arrested. Hey you never know all it takes is one bad tape measure and your off to jail.

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That may be true , but I Hate all kinds of shit.

:smile:

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Would have been nice if some guy with Chicago in his name would clarify. Most people who put cities in their name reside in or near said city in my experience.

As for prosecution for having a rifle extension on a pistol, of course I cannot come up with an example. just like no one can come up with an example of a case where someone had a short upper with a bunch of rifle lowers sitting around and getting popped for having an SBR.
But pretty much everyone says keep that shorty upper somewhere other than with a bunch of rifle lowers if you don’t have a registered receiver.

And what is the current position of having an M-16 trigger group? Pretty much everyone will say not to do it, because it isn’t worth the headache just in case something happens. And I think that the probability of someone breaking down a rifle to look at a trigger group is much lower than someone seeing a rifle extension without a stock…

The OP is free to do whatever the hell he wants, but if he gets popped, it’s his ass. And I’d bet dollars to donuts he’d whine about getting popped if it happened.

It’s a pretty stupid thing to bother with when pistol tubes are all over the place.

But I will say that it’s sad that we have to even have these discussions living in the supposed freedom loving land of the USA…

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If IG is right, then you can theoretically use your pistol as an sbr with stock, but as soon as anyone shows up, pull the stock off before they see it.

I still wouldn’t do it though.