I am using an agency issued rifle. I am looking to move my rear sling mount form the standard M-4 stock to the back of the receiver. I can not replace the end plate with the Magpul ASAP like I did on my personal rifle. I am looking for cost effective. I have read about using a zip tie and a key ring on the buffer tube. Does anyone have any personal experience with this? If so, can you let me know how it went and post pics if possible. Is there another low cost option? My biggest obstacle is that this is an agency issued rifle that will have to be turned in someday.
Additionally, any thoughts on the front sling mount placement? Right now it is on the left side of the front sight tower. I have seen it moved to the rear of the left rail. Any opinions on this?
I was one of the folks using a ziptie and keyring for my carbine. But it was on a .22 trainer. And the M&P15-22 doesn’t allow receiver end plates because the RE is plastic. There is no real buffer tube.
I advocated the use of a ziptie for that situation only - and in a pinch. I would NOT recommend it outside of .22lr and especially not for a duty gun. The .22 has an extremely short charging handle so it wouldn’t interfere. And it doesn’t generate much heat. It also has nothing going on in that area. The RE is simply to hold a stock. I could cut it off and the gun would work fine.
I didn’t mind the ziptie - but I wanted a cheap legit solution. I picked up a KZ sling and mount here on EE brand new for $20 shipped. Botach Tactical makes them. I didn’t want to buy from Botach direct - but the gentleman on here had several slings / mounts in his possession.
The mount isn’t half bad but the sling is pretty crappy. If it was my duty weapon - I’d spring for the Daniel defense or tangodown versions of it. If you really want to save money though, I’d be comfortable with the KZ holding up. I don’t regret it for $20 for the adapter and sling.
I like to run one point at the RE and one at the rear of the rails like you mentioned. I find it holds the gun right where I want it and keeps a nice center or balance. On my 5.56 I run a Noveske QD swivel RE endplate and use the rear QD swivel on my DD rail. I think you would like these attachment points.
There are several choices here, take your pick. I’ve installed the MI#13 on my M&P15-22, it works fine for me. I’m considering the TD PR-4 for my new BCM.
I realize price is a concern, but your life is worth running reputable kit.
Are you running a 2 pt. or 1 pt. (or hybrid)? For a 2 point, I suggest mounting the sling on the buttstock and somewhere in front on the rail system that doesn’t interfere with your hand placement. The ‘wider’ you have the sling mounted on the weapon, the more you take advantage of a 2 pt. sling’s features.
Troy makes a mount that slides over the buffer tube and puts a QD mouth I. Both sides if the extension it is around fifty bucks and not permanent. I think tango down makes one that also puts a third QD mount at the rear it is closer to $75.
Running the adj. 2 point, I certainly stand by my recommendations above. The advantages of an adj. 2 pt. (mainly hands-off control) are marginalized when mounting the sling narrowly on the weapon (front near the barrel nut area/ rear on receiver endplate). Configured in that fashion:
-The balance is off, thus causing the gun to ‘level’ itself more horizontally when, say ,transitioning to a secondary. Mounted to the buttstock, the muzzle naturally orients down at an angle from the user, allowing a clear draw stroke from the holster.
-The weapon will not cinch down as tight, because there is less surface area for the sling to pull up against.
-Fixed receiver endplates (excepting things like the ASAP plate) put the sling webbing right in the workspace of the charging handle/safety in certain positions (not always). You’ll never have that problem with a rear buttstock mount.
The perceived disadvantages (shoulder transitions mainly) of a 2 point can be drastically reduced with some time and training. Again, I personally would not even consider mounting the sling with a fixed receiver endplate; you might as well run a 1 pt. sling. For more info, check out Kyle Defoor’s blog or Kyle Lamb’s Green Eyes, Black Rifles. Just my .02 cents. It’s worth what you paid for it.
Watch out for those corners, though. If you end up pressing your face into the back of it as part of cheeking the gun…it smarts. That’s the reason I ended up trying the PR-4 in the first place… Get the corners of the DD chamfered, unless your face doesn’t rest on it.
I am looking to mount it at the rear of the receiver for two reasons…
My personal rifle is equipped as such.
I am a K-9 handler. Most of my work involves the use of a 15’-30’ tracking lead. With the rear mount at the rear of the receiver, I see it riding higher when tightened close to my chest. This should allow me more maneuverability and less tangling with the leash.
I think I will keep the front mount out front. Although, I may get a QD mount for the front of the rail as opposed to the existing non-QD on the front sight tower.
As for the zip ties, I had seen a picture of Chris Costa using the zip tie (totally absent of context.) The agents I work with will use a zip tie for anything and everything. Institutionally, we think they can do everything from secure prisoners, serve are rappelling anchor points, to curing cancer. Silly, but zip ties seem to be our go-to for everything. Intellectually, I know I should not use a zip tie for this.
What is he supposed to girth hitch it to? He doesnt have an attachment point at the receiver endplate, that’s his problem. Attaching it to the stock keeps the weapon oriented very awkwardly when slung and keeps it so low that a 16" gun’s muzzle often strikes the deck unless you’re Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
I would stick with a design similar to the PR-4 with the attachement points low. Stay away from bolt-on sling adaptors that have the sling attachement points mounted high on the sides.
Case in point, I used the GG&G Agency Sling Attachement for awhile but my support hand would bump into it when manipulating the charging handle under duress and made it harder to hit the forward assist.
Ive tried 550 loops girth hitched to the RE, in my experience it rides up to the top of the tube and restricts the charging handle’s ability to function. Do what works for you… Just didnt work for me.
You should be able to zoom in, but this is the KZ mount and sling.
I didn’t realize it was a Botach product at the time. Not a big fan of Botach Tactical. This is about as simple as single point slings get. I wouldn’t run it on my 5.56 but it’s alright for .22lr. I see it getting replaced in the future.
