Real Ninja...

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Stephen Hayes in the December 1981 issue of Warriors magazine working with students and an Armalite AR-7 survival rifle. Try and find Stephen Hayes even discussing firearms today anywhere and you certainly won’t see that photo in any of his books.

Of course it was a different Stephen Hayes back then, and what was offered as “ninjutsu” was quite a bit different as well. But that was before people started identifying ninjutsu with Sho Kosugi.

I thought, “This better be about Stephen K. Hayes or Masaaki Hatsuumi.”

Still wish I would have ran away to his Bujikan Dojo when I was a kid.

Nice job SteyrAUG!

I have one of his books. I have done some ninjustu classes spread out over time. One was held at a park in Pam Bay, Florida. Where I live, the last good school closed his doors. Everything else is either karate, Tae qoun do, or MMA.

I really want do try Krav Maga.

It’s pretty trendy now, do your research and find the real deal. Lot of fakes out there.

I recently came to know a guy that trained under Stephen K. Hayes and started to pick his brain hoping to actually train with him some day but he fell ill. Still want to train with him but don’t want to botheror tax him either.

He also train under Pelligrini whose version of Hapkido I was interested in also.

I really like the idea of combatives as opposed to Martial Arts. MA is a system to which you dedicate yourself and time whereas combatives programs teach you a few essentials to make you “survivable” in a shorter amount of time.

Not always. Even with your concept of “combatives”, if you don’t maintain skill sets it’s like buying a gun, taking a basic hangun course and thinking you are now “good to go.”

You can be a martial artist without being devoted to specific systems. I have been a martial artist since 1977, or at least that is when my instruction began. I have been exposed to 40-60 styles or systems in that time and devoted a year or more to about 20-25 of them. I have what we’ll call an advanced working knowledge of half of those and I’m qualified to teach about 8 of them.

But a long time ago I stopped practicing style or system and simply focused on elements of each system which I found particularly suited my needs. As my needs changed and evolved over time, the elements prioritized and evolved accordingly.

I may only practice 8% of a given system, but I will do it for the rest of my life for so long as I am able because I gain some benefit. This is the nature of martial arts.

Rigidly defined, excessively codified programs of instruction are largely a mid 20th century construct. On Okinawa in the late 1800s there may have been 40 or more famous kata, but for each village style a student typically practiced no more than three and it was rare for a “style” to contain 5 or more kata. But when karate transmitted to Japan in the 1920s comprehensive systems were created in an effort to catalog every single known kata and by the later part of the 20th century systems like Shotokan had as many as 28 kata to be mastered as the Japanese took the existing body of knowledge and expanded upon it.

This was the “classical mess” Bruce Lee sought to simplify or abandon with his “Jeet Kune Do” concept. But in many ways, Lee simply rediscovered the wheel. If you go back to ore Meiji Japan no fighter devoted himself religiously to a single system, in fact survival meant knowledge of most systems or at least the fundamentals of most systems. In China when martial arts were a matter of life and death, nobody was concerned with creating and mastering overly complex techniques that would break down and falter when real resistance was encountered. They were interested in proven and established methods, especially applications which weren’t immediately obvious or predictable.

You could call what they did and their approach to martial arts “combatives.” Of course once a student has trained for several years and become proficient, the reality is he needs a teacher less and less. He simply has to continue his training to an effective level. It’s a lot like being shown the basics of defensive shooting, supervised over a few years of practice by an accomplished shooter and then learning to “make it all work and fit - for you.” Once this is done, continued practice is all that remains.

In the same way, with unarmed combat you reach a point where you don’t “need” a teacher anymore. But it’s hard to get monthly fees from somebody once they reach that point so elaborate “lifetime devotion” systems were created. Imagine if Larry Vickers expected everyone who trained with him to show up every week, 3-4 days for a couple hours and for you to do so for at least 5-7 years to be considered an “expert” and devote three to four decades for him to declare you a “master.”

Well that is kind of what a lot of martial art systems have attempted in order to maintain life long students and their tuition. Sounds crazy right? And this is why they are finding themselves largely abandoned and most commercial schools have been reduced to little more than motivational day care for children.

In order to teach what I consider martial arts the first thing I had to do was abandon my efforts to teach commercially. 80% of new students have no idea what real martial arts are and when they find out it sure isn’t something they want to pay for. So you either lose students when the hard work starts or you do your best to cater to their Shaolin temple, Karate Kid, Shaw Bros. expectation of what they think martial arts are.

The other problem is generally your most talented students don’t have a lot of money and the people who do have a lot of money see your instruction as a commodity they purchase that you service to them according to their expectations. The first contributes nothing to supporting your school, the second is almost impossible to teach.

So I stopped teaching for money. I accepted personal students only if they seemed to be good candidates who would survive the training. I recognized others who would simply be wasting their time, my time or both and referred them to a school that was more in line with their expectations.

And I still have personal students who began training with me in 1991. They haven’t needed a teacher for a long time now, but they are personal students and we enjoy training together as we explore our continued fascination with the martial arts. When I travel home to Iowa, I still train with students I began teaching in 1983, most of them have their own students of course.

And whenever they can find the time, my teachers will sometimes show up to work out with us. It’s a lot like Sunday dinner for Italians.

This IS the “combatives” concept.

This is the MA “system” I’m talking of. Dedicating years to training to attain knowledge level or status.

Back in the mid 90s when the Ranger Batallions were revamping the the combatives program the Gracies taught a few moves to “Combatives Masters” to which very few strikes were added allowing them to trickle the knowledge down the chain. Similar with Krav Maga to where the focus was on a few moves. Now-a-days it’s treated more like a Martial Arts Program. So instead of learning how to do a choke hold right off the bat along with a few other moves to get you there, you start with rolling, shrimping, etc. While these steps might make you a better Martial Artist, soldiers leave the week long program not knowing how to finish the fight which is the whole point/goal. They can start doing chokes and strikes later if they ever get a time block and certified instructor to teach Level 2 Combatives. Which doesn’t seem to happen for most units.

Back in the mid 90s we learned those few basic moves and had an understanding of how to finish the fight. It seemed effective. No of us were by any means a Martial Artist from learning those basic moves aside from the people that sought training on his own.

This I can completely understand and find very Honorable. I remember my first instructor telling me, “I would like to you and five other of the dedicated students and just train at my house, but it does’t pay the bills.”

Ironic, I recently read an interview of Ken Hackathorn by Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network where he said the same thing. Great minds and all that . . .

"We’ve got to learn through practice how to minimize the effects of the loss of fine motor skills. That’s why I tell people, “Training is great but training only teaches you what to practice. If you don’t practice, guess what? You’re never going to be very good!” - Ken Hackathorn

I couldn’t help but have the “The Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei” pop into my brain when I read that. I just in vision your students bloody and bruised as you run your fingers through your “Fu Manchu” while laughing at them!

I can attest to this. My best friend of 26 years started taking Krav at a “reputable” school a few years back. When we would hang out he would share techniques that he had learned with me and it always seemed like I had a more efficient, damaging alternative to his teachings. After my haven’t trained hard in 12 years self handed him his ass in multiple sparring matches, he promptly quit the class.

Nothing new though… McDojos have been around since the inception of martial arts/combative system classes/instruction.

Most successful schools aren’t run by the best teachers, but the most charismatic. A blow-hard that knows just enough is a dangerous thing.

“Sweep the leg.”

If you missed it, read here for more and a few laughs:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?161743-Sulsa-Do-Corps

It’s more monotony and repetition of basics and drills that results in the highest dropout rate. Students gain little from significant injury. Conditioning and impact training can be uncomfortable, but they have to be able to train again in a few days.