Exactly. The “reasonable” encroachment is a devil’s bargin. The point is never to stop the criminal (because by definition that is impossible), it is to control the law abiding to an even greater degree.
M_P
Ok I can totaly understand that. Relating it to firearms makes a good metaphore in this place:cool: .
JFPO thinks that this will be a new opportunity for the feds to track and maintain firearms purchases. Given that it is a new system being put in place, there would be a chance that new legislation could arise with regard to firearms purchases.
http://www.jpfo.org/alert20070207.htm
I can see the headlines now:
“Millions of AR-15 Style Rifles were reported stolen only 1 hour after Senator Hillary Clinton became President”.
I think RFID is pretty durable. I remember hearing that England had clothing stores that would hide RFID chips into clothing so they could track when what part of the store you would go to so that they could better cater to your needs. They were designed to go through the washer and dryer without being destroyed. The only way to stop them from working is to microwave them until they burn, but you get a small burn hole in your clothes.
I saw a news article about Maine trying to reject the Nat’l ID Act, they said my wonderful state of MD is all for it. I don’t get how a liberal state like mine can approve of something pushed through by the Bush Administration to keep us safe. I suppose both sides want a dictatorship, just through different means. They must figure they will get to take over next year and have all this power that Bush took from the people.
" I suppose both sides want a dictatorship, just through different means. "
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Now you get it.
M_P
There was a movie made some years back called “Logens Run”. Looks like we are headed in that direction!
Also, will our Government require illegal mexicans to get this “ID”?
I doubt it!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_bi_ge/us_chipping_america_iv
I have no problem putting on the tinfoil for this garbage.:mad:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3697940.stm
Barcelona clubbers get chipped
BBC Science producer Simon Morton goes clubbing in Barcelona with a microchip implanted in his arm to pay for drinks.Simon Morton gets his microchip
Having the chip inserted was a breeze
Imagine having a glass capsule measuring 1.3mm by 1mm, about the size of a large grain of rice injected under your skin.Implanting microchips that emit a Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) into animals has been common practice in many countries around the world, with some looking to make it a legal requirement for domestic pet owners.
The idea of having my very own microchip implanted in my body appealed. I have always been an early adopter, so why not.
Last week I headed for the bright lights of the Catalan city of Barcelona to enter the exclusive VIP Baja Beach Club.
The night club offers its VIP clients the opportunity to have a syringe-injected microchip implanted in their upper arms that not only gives them special access to VIP lounges, but also acts as a debit account from which they can pay for drinks.
This sort of thing is handy for a beach club where bikinis and board shorts are the uniform and carrying a wallet or purse is really not practical.
Thumping heart
I met the owner of the club, Conrad Chase, who had come up with the idea when trying to develop the ultimate in membership cards and was the first person implanted with the capsule, made by VeriChip Corporation.
Nurse Laia preps the chip
Nurse Laia held a rather large needle
With a waiver in his hand Conrad asked me to sign my life away, confirming that if I wanted the chip removed it was my responsibility.Four aspiring VIP members sat quietly sipping their beverages as the nurse Laia began preparing the surgical materials.
Like a scene from a sci-fi movie, latex gloves and syringes were laid out on the table as the DJ played loud dance tunes that made my heart thump, or was it just fear?
Questions were going through my mind. Would it hurt? What are the risks? What if I want to get it out?
I ordered another drink.
Comfortably numb
Laia started by disinfecting my upper arm and then administered a local anaesthetic to numb the area where the chip would be implanted.
With the large needle in her hand, she tested the zone which made me flinch and led to another dose of the anaesthetic.
The microchip
The chip is contained in a tiny glass capsule
With a numb arm, Laia held up the rather large needle containing the microchip and inserted it beneath the layer of skin and fat on my arm.She pressed the injector and it was in - my very own 10 digit number safely located in my body.
The chip is made of glass and is inert so there is no risk of it reacting with my body.
It sits dormant under the skin sending out a very low range radio frequency so it will not set off airport security systems.
The chip responds to a signal when a scanner is held near it and supplies its own unique ID number.
The number can then be linked to a database that is linked to other data, at the Baja beach club it make charges to a customers account.
If I want to leave the club then I can have it surgically removed - a pretty simple procedure similar to having it put in.
Now, the question of did it hurt. Having the chip inserted was a breeze, no real pain to report of.
The real pain was the sore head the following day after a night on an open bar tab.
Forget ID cards it is just to cool to take a microchip. I wonder when they will be running ads on MTV for this crap.
Now, now… it’s nothing a few seconds in a 7-11 microwave oven can’t fix. 
For goodness sakes, don’t do it at HOME (in case it goes thermonuclear :eek:)! Just throw your license in with your breakfast burrito, and VOILA - up yours, Big Brudda!
I know a few people that fried the rfid chips in their passports.
Yet another thing that may in fact be well intentioned, but in the end will do nothing for security but will make large steps towards stripping us of liberty.
Are they going to tie these cards in with our health information and insurance information and do like the videos say? Not now…but who knows what comes about in the long term.
I am required to carry a TWIC card. Terminal Workers Ident Credential at work. Anyone who enters a terminal must have one to go onto the terminal unescorted.
I had to pay 140.00 for the privilege of working for a living, the catering truck workers can’t get one so the roach coach doesn’t enter the terminals.
The truckers can’t get them either so they go to MacArthur park in LA and buy them, but the counterfeiters are so stupid they don’t copy the back side of the card.
Copying them is a huge federal crime and they have already busted many truckers for the phonies.
I can’t wait for the next round of BS that flies out of the DHS>
Doesn’t matter as hackers have already hacked RFIDs
http://tv.boingboing.net/2008/03/19/how-to-hack-an-rfide.html
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/rfid.html
P.S.
RFID Making easier for the hackers to steal your identity!!!
Exactly. And it’s well-documented in open source literature though too few choose to read tomes like Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley.
There goal is TO RULE, no doubt about it; and the American public is too stricken with self-imposed ignorance, arrogance and apathy to recognize it, much less organize and initiate Godly action. The next five years will be most interesting.