Hello all, I am getting ready to send off my form 1 and had a question about the abbreviation of my trust that I will have engraved on my receiver. Can I just do “CLT”(cannaday living trust) City, state or do I have to put my full name like this “Cannaday LT City, State”?
Thanks for any help!
Most use abbreviations… Theres an space on the form 1 that ask for “any other markings” or something to that effect…Enter the abbreviated info into that…
I guess what I’m asking is if I use abbreviations for my name and trust will that make the fed’s happy? This is what I put in the box asking for additional descriptions “CLT Tuttle, OK”, and this is what I plan on having engraved on my lower. Will this be okay to do like this?
Thanks
What I used for mine was “FM Lastname RLT” (instead of “First M Lastname Revocable Living Trust”) because otherwise it would not have fit on the front of my magazine well. Talk to the guys at Orion, they know their stuff and they will not steer you wrong. Good luck!!
That’s a good idea to call them, I’m thinking about just buying an SBR and doing the form 4 now instead of converting the 16" I have, never hurts to have both 
John Doe Revocable Living Trust
123 Elm Street
Anytown ,State
12345
JDRLT
Anytown,St
12345
Make sure letter size and depth is correct and placed in visible location…
I really dont recommend engraving any part of your actual name on something someone else may one day see…
I’ve been looking around and I actually saw someone use a cheap harbor freight engraver and engrave their info inside the magwell- just along the out-turned portion so it’s easily readable with no mag in. But then it’s not so easy to read once it was blackened. Supposedly that is a good enough place to do it.
No,it has to be in an obvious and visible place…People used to put them under the handguards at one time but no more…
If youre gonna try to take short cuts in the NFA goodies I strongly suggest you consider if the risk is worth the reward…
Each violation can cost you 10yrs and 250k…Not worth the risk IMO…
Just my .02
So you are sure that you cannot engrave it there or are you guessing?
I’ve seen it done. I can only assume the person who did it knew what he was doing moreso than someone that is just giving their opinion.
If you can show me proof that it’s not conspicuous enough, then I’ll believe you.
I never heard of anyone doing it under their handguards- under their pistol grip yes, but that is definitely not visible.
You contradicted yourself. If the markings are conspicuous like SuicideHz said, and don’t require disassembly then his idea is fine. Marking the lip of the mag well, so long as it meets the size and dept requirements, is as conspicuous as marking the underside of the receiver around the slot.
http://keepandbeararms.com/laws/nfa34.htm
§ 179.102 Identification of firearms.
Each manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm shall legibly identify it by engraving, casting, stamping (impressed), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, an individual serial number not duplicating any serial number placed by the manufacturer, importer, or maker on any other firearm, and by engraving, casting, stamping (impressed), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed, the model, if such designation has been made; the caliber or gauge; the name (or recognized abbreviation of same) of the manufacturer, or maker, and also, when applicable, of the importer; in the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) wherein the manufacturer or importer maintains his place of business, or the maker made the firearm; and in the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) of the importer:
No,I didnt contridict myself…I said obvious…
“inside the magwell- just along the out-turned portion”
Even a bad lawyer wouldnt have much trouble making a good case on this this guy…
Read section 7.4 on this link, has lastest engraving info.
http://customworks-dsm.com/Documents/nfafirearms_manufacturing.pdf
What you said here is just the law and gives no support to anything you are saying.
Had I said you don’t need to engrave that little cut and paste of yours would have proven me wrong.
Do you think conspicuous means it has to be a large billboard along the side of the gun?
It doesn’t.
There’s nothing in 7.4 on interpretation which is what we are arguing here.
If you don’t understand that, please be quiet.
What is the definition of the word obvious ???obvious
One entry found.
obvious
Main Entry: ob·vi·ous
Pronunciation: \ˈäb-vē-əs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin obvius, from obviam in the way, from ob in the way of + viam, accusative of via way — more at ob-, via
Date: 1603
1archaic : being in the way or in front
2: easily discovered, seen, or understood
Depth requirements are usually hot on the heals of other engraving questions,trying to be pre-emptive…
Congrats,you own a 9mm shorty…Now you are the the Bonafide,certified,A-#1 internet guru on all things NFA…:rolleyes:
Personally,I dont care if you try to take shortcuts and get one over the BATF or not.Its not gonna effect me in any way whatsoever…Roll the dice and take your chances with everything you own,but dont give gray area information to people asking legitimate questions here…If you look around on the internet you can probably find child porn too but that doesnt make that shit legal now does it??
Your reply to my post were with the sole intention of instigating and starting conflict…A link to the NFA was posted and the instructions are pretty clear…If you cant understand them,maybe youre really not smart enough to own guns in the first place…
Question…If your face is placed firmly up against your butt checks with your nose up your rectum does that mean your head really up your ass or isnt it??
Youre kind of a dick and have been called out about it in other post before now.As far as I have seen,you have not contributed anything positive to this community…Prehaps you should head on back over to ARFCOM with the other little boys and let the men who really want to learn share information with each other…
You said OBVIOUS. It doesn’t say OBVIOUS in the law.
My point is that you are interpreting the law and it’s not your job to interpret the law.
Don’t use child porn to try and prove your point. There are plenty of things out there on the internet that are true.
Pre-emptive? You threw that out as if it was in your defense. Noone asked for depth. You were citing something you thought would disprove what I said.
Quit digging for dirt on me here. You’ve obviously searched through my posts and tried to find something negative about me. I’d call that trolling and it’s just not allowed.