PSA 16" SS Carbine Kit

I purchased the 16" middie stainless steel carbine kit with MOE furniture from PSA. It came with everything needed to build a complete carbine with the exception of a stripped lower receiver, magazine and rear site. A PSA stripped lower and MagPul MBUS were also ordered. The kit was $560, and with the MBUS and shipping came to $645. It was shipped by UPS and came in two separate packages. Lower was ordered during the Memorial Day Sale for $57 (including shipping) and when picked up, will cost roughly an additional $50 to cover transfer fees & Washington state tax. That’s $745 for a complete carbine with MOE forearm, grip and stock, if you’ve already got magazines. Wait was about two or three weeks for the kit and the lower will be arriving at the local gunshop this coming week. The LPK comes with a standard single stage trigger. As much as I like the Geisselle, I figured to give this one a good, honest try.

Here’s the upper, fully assembled and complete with BCG and charging handle, as it arrived from PSA. In the special instructions, I asked for the MOE furniture to be FDE and that’s how the forearm came. The grip and stock came black. No problem, a friend bought the grip & stock and I’ll get FDE replacements locally.

Bolt is marked MPI

and gas key looks properly staked to my amateur’s eye. If it’s not, please educate me.

Here’s the BCG stripped. It was coated with a preservative which was cleaned off before shooting

It looks like PSA used a generous amount of grease on the barrel nut during installation. It can be seen where it oozed out of the barrel nut. No Loctite here.

The receiver extension is milspec and the buffer simply has the PSA logo. PSA website says it’s a standard PSA buffer.

Since I don’t have the PSA lower receiver yet and was impatient to shoot my new carbine, I dropped the upper onto the lower for my precision rifle. Push pull, click click! New carbine that quick!

My brother assembled a PSA 14.5" M4 carbine. Compared to the M4, the SS carbine on the lower with UBR stock is heavier and doesn’t feel as lively. The profile of the 16" stainless steel barrel is similar to the Gov, where it’s thinner under the handguards than it is ahead of the gasblock. Still, it’s quick on target and the sights line up as soon as it hits the shoulder. With Magpul mags, it runs 100%. With a Brownell’s mag, I had two failures to feed, each occurred roughly half way through the magazine. It was a new, untried magazine and I haven’t been able to replicate the problem since. (EDIT: The failures did again occur with the same mags during the next range session. More later.) Only 200 rounds have been fired so far, but I can promise there will be more to follow. A trip to the range is planned for a formal sighting in. What’s surprising isn’t that I like the AR carbine, but that I like it so much! It’s easy to shoot, almost like an overgrown .22. Recoil, though a bit sharp compared to 20" rifles, is easy to manage. The MBUS has two apertures, one large enough to drive a bus through and that makes it fast to use. The MOE forearm does get just a little warm. The FSB and, of course, the barrel get downright hot!

I haven’t shot it for groups and so far it’s only been roughly sighted in during a weekend camping trip in the Cascades, but I’m able consistently hit fist sized targets out to a guesstimated 100 yards.

I’ve learned a few things as well. The 16" barrel proved to be very handy while moving down the trail through the thick forest. Most of my hunting rifles have 22" barrels and while they aren’t a problem when I carry them in hand, the shortness of the carbine, especially with the stock collapsed, made it easier to carry while slung.

When hiking, normally I simply sling my rifle over my shoulder. The AR is the first I have used the modern two point sling carry with. It was amazing how much easier it was to carry a carbine this way, negotiating the over-grown trail. While hiking with the kids, I slung the rifle across my back.

The last morning of our trip taught me something else. Just about daybreak, I took the trail alone and snuck down to the river to try for some pictures of the deer and elk we saw the prints of the day before. Halfway along, I heard a heavy pair of thumps, then another pair. I stopped and listened, camera at the ready. I didn’t see anything, but I could hear a large animal moving away through the forest. I thought perhaps it was a deer stamping in alarm. However, they usually only stamp one foot.

The river was a short distance further, and as luck would have it, I didn’t find any wildlife. But a search for new sign along the water’s edge led to a discovery that startled me. Bear tracks. That’s when the cold realization of what the thumps I had heard earlier meant. A bear!

We have black bears in the Cascades and they usually leave humans alone. This one had simply moved off. However, that’s a rather large paw print and I wasn’t going to take any chances during my return to camp through the thick forest.

A round was quietly loaded into the chamber using the forward assist and the rifle slung to the front. A few practice runs were tried and the carbine came to the shoulder quickly with the sights aligned on target each time. I didn’t run into the bruin again, but it gave me confidence to know my rifle could be brought into action quickly if needed, faster than any other sling method I’ve yet tried. While I admit I was at first a skeptic, I am now a firm believer (I owe a special thanks to all who took the time to explain the modern carry to this hardhead in another thread). It’s also why all my firearms must be reliable.

The stainless steel may not last as long as hammer forged 4150 chrome lined steel, but it’ll take enough rounds to wear it out that I’ll be proud to replace it when it does. It has the 1/8 twist and should handle the longer bullets easily. The MOE forearm fits my hand much better than the round style. That alone makes it worth the extra money. The original style charging handle has more flex than a Gunfighter and the smaller handle makes it more difficult to manipulate, but should last long enough to save up for a Gunfighter.

The FSB sling swivel is coated with a plastic- the HK snap I’m using has already worn through it. To be fair, the swivel was meant to take a sling, not the snap and the swivel remains functional. It’s also a stop gap until I can get a QD cup mounted.

So far, the PSA upper has proven to be money well spent. I’ll know more about the lower once it’s built. I’ll post pictures of the lower parts later

(Edited for clarity)

Very nice, I was looking into this exact kit, can we get a view of the “m4” feedramps, as in another thread the alignment and depth and quality of them were called into question.

Waddya know- Mine are off a bit as well. I’ll have to shoot the carbine some more to see if it affects function. There was a single fleck that might have been shaved from a bullet.

If shooting proves it to not be a problem, I’ll post an update. If it is a problem, I’ll post an update after contacting PSA and getting a resolution

almost looks like they used a barrel extension without M4 cuts and a receiver with them.

Rifle looks nice, congrats. Keep us updated on the ramps.

That’s what I thought when I looked at the picture of the ramps in the other thread. I can assure you in my case, they are both cut. They just don’t quite line up. A little polishing of the barrel extension would fix it right up

Thanks, Deuce! I really like shooting it

The only part needed to complete the rifle kit was the lower receiver. That arrived just a few days ago. Finish looks good, roll marks are consistent and there isn’t any excessive flash. The rifle kit originally came with a black MOE stock and grip in addition to the FDE handguard. The black grip and stock were sold and replaced with an FDE MOE grip and FDE CTR stock. I wanted the QD cups for mounting a sling. This picture shows the upper as received from PSA with the addition of the MagPul MBUS, along with the rest of the rifle kit. Not shown is the spring and PSA buffer. Also shown is the PSA stripped lower. It’s not part of the rifle kit and was ordered separately. I dug out my tools and went to work assembling the lower. I didn’t have a lower receiver block when I assembled my first lower. I had one this time, along with a vise and this assembly went much smoother than the first!

All parts fit as they are supposed to, making assembly a straight forward process. The discovery that the detent pins are magnetic made holding them in place much easier.

Placing the lower inside a large Ziploc baggie while installing the detent pins and springs kept them from zooming off into the hinterlands when I slipped and saved me much time form searching for them and cussing.

A C clamp was used to press the trigger guard pin in place to reduce chances of breaking off the receiver ears. Masking tape was applied to protect the finish.

A trip to the range was made for test firing and to sight it in at 100 yards. Function with PMags is 100%.

Trouble with feeding was experienced with two aluminum magazines from Brownell’s. The magazines may not be to blame. They have been completely reliable when used in another rifle. Further investigation into this problem is needed to narrow down the exact cause and when more information is available, it will be posted.

3 shot groups were fired during the sighting in process and the carbine stayed within 2 inches at 100 yards using the iron sights. 3 shot groups were used to conserve ammo during sighting in while giving a good reference to group center for sight adjustment. The rifle may be capable of better, but today, I was not.

Compared to the UBR stock, the carbine feels noticeably lighter with the CTR and it handles better. The single stage trigger supplied by PSA has a heavy, gritty but consistent, repeatable pull. It was greased before installation and it should smooth out with use. In spite of it’s grittiness, it does not feel like a cheap trigger.

The PSA supplied standard charging handle was temporarily replaced with a Gunfighter Mod 4 from another upper. After using the Mod 4, the standard handle felt inadequate and flimsy. I’ll be looking into getting a Mod 5 to try with the carbine.

The MOE grip would be easier to install and tighten if MagPul supplied it with an Allen head screw

[i]A PS or Two- At the range today, I overheard a guy tell his buddy “Your AR is chambered for 5.56. shooting 223 ammo in it is bad because it is underpowered and the bullet can get stuck in the bore.” I had to take few moments to recover my composure before continuing shooting.

At the range, they hang netting between the tables as brass catchers. They work well. The guys next to me were shooting ARs with muzzle brakes and the pressure wave from them was so fierce, it blew the netting almost horizontal. It barely moved from my Battlecomps, even with the 308. One guy asked if I had a brake on my AR. I said “Yes, but it’s not nearly as obnoxious as yours!” He laughed[/i]

Just curious what range you use locally - I see you’re in the Edmonds area. I have shot at Kenmore and felt bad for the guy to my right. Netting would be nice…

The range I used today is Plantation Range, just off I-5 before you get to Bellvue. Takes me an hour to get there. Range goes out to 300 yards. Bring a spotting scope (they rent them for $2) because shooters cannot go down range to check or change targets. The ROs will call a cease fire now and again and put up new targets. It’s a nice, friendly place to shoot and it’s real pretty up there.

You can see the netting in this picture. It was taken during a previous trip at the 300 yard bench

Another range I’ve been to that I like is the Poulsbo Sportsman’s Club. Trouble with Poulsbo is the expense and time of taking the ferry

Did the upper come assembled or did you have to assemble it? With the way you phrased everything in the third person it’s hard to tell what you did and what the “factory” did.

Examples

The barrel was torqued to the upper receiver using a generous coat of grease.

A C clamp was used to press the trigger guard pin in place to reduce chances of breaking off the receiver ears. Masking tape was applied to protect the finish.

Were both of things things done by the same person?

Both of the PSA uppers I’ve seen had that grease at the barrel /upper junction. He bought the complete upper and assembled the lower I believe.

I apologize for the confusion. I need to work on my writing style. I’ll go back and edit for clarity.

The upper was received completely assembled. I noticed the grease when I inspected the upper. The only thing it needed before being installed on my lower was to dis-assemble the BCG and clean it of a light coat of some type of waxy preservative. After cleaning I lubed and re-assembled the BCG.

The lower came stripped and was assembled by me using the parts that came with the rifle kit

Thanks for clarifying. I’ve been keeping an eye on PSA for awhile, interesting stuff.

Writing in the third person seems to be increasingly common but I try to avoid it myself. I think people have the perception that it comes across as more professional but I’m finding I’m more clear if I just say “I shot the rifle for 5, 10-shot groups” than if I say “the rifle was fired for 5, 10-shot groups”.

You’re probably right, but if feels awkward to keep saying “I”. I think I went too far avoiding it

I’m still waiting on my 20" PSA upper. If the OP is having feeding issues, and it turns out to be the upper iteself, that doesn’t instill confidence. I was initially trying to give the “little guy” a chance, but stuff liek this, and reading about the misaligned feed ramps, and the tight bolts [I’ve seen about 5 to 10 posts on all of these issues at various places], along with the horrendus round caps on the 20" gun, are starting to make me REAL nervous. If this thing arrives with issues I know I’m going to be heated - for about another $100 Icould have gone BCM, but wanted to give these guys a shot.

Can you please keep us updated as to what happens with this feedingissue?

Which type of roll pins did your lpk come with, regular roll pins or the coiled kind?

Just make sure that you are not using inanimate objects as the subject doing the action in your writing and you will be fine. There is a big difference between:

“I shot the rifle.”

“The rifle was shot.”

“The rifle was shot by the man.”

“The big, burly, brutish man pulled the trigger sending the lead projectile into the berm, completly missing the target.”

Using descriptor words is good, but using them to accentuiate the subject and then the adjectives of the sentence is much better. Learn to use the different there, their, and they’re and you will get by most grammar nazi’s. Oh, know the difference between effect and affect. It bugs the shit out of me, but I never say anything. Here is a hint:

“The effect of the lead projectile was detremental to his head staying in a round shape.”

“It is hard to say how the bullet will affect the melon once the melon is shot.”

The kit came with regular roll pins. When the bolt release was installed, the receiver was masked off with tape and the pin tapped in place using a small hammer and a loooong brass punch. I used only a small hammer assembling my first lower and damaged the finish in a couple small spots. I learned my lesson.

PSA has not yet been given the chance to resolve any issues with this kit. Let’s not keelhaul them for something they aren’t aware of yet. Also, let’s find out what uppers are having issues with ramps. The stainless steel barrels are from Wilson. Some barrels are from FN. We do not know if there is a third source for PSA barrels. Nonetheless, let’s be professional about this. If anyone has issues with their PSA uppers, please extend every courtesy that would be given any other good vendor and give them a chance to correct them. It’s as I think it was IraqGunz said- Anyone can make a mistake. It’s how they handle them that’s important.

If worried about the ramps of an upper yet to be shipped, call PSA and express your concerns. Talk to them and see if they’ll look at the ramps prior to sending it out. Keep in mind they don’t yet have the experience that BCM, G&R Tactical and others do.

I will be contacting PSA with my problems. I am confident PSA is as professional as any and values the good reputation they’ve built for themselves and my problems will be resolved. Keep in mind that I have no issues with this upper when using PMags

Good to know. Just curious since I’ve had their lpk’s with both types of pins and I’m not sure I really like the coiled kind since they aren’t as easy to install (of course that could be since I just press the roll pins in with a vise-grip).

Just got around to taking the carbine from it’s case to put away. I’m surprised to note much of the grittiness of the trigger pull is gone. The break isn’t crisp though, it’s almost a rolling break. If it ever smooths out completely, it would feel much like the Geisselle 3 gun