Saw this video on youtube is not a good way to start a thread but here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_x884RLBPQ
In the comments the instructor claims that shooting gangsta style is better for point shooting one handed,anyone can validate that claim?
I was taught that at Defensive Edge, Urban Tactics II, although Sully taught a 30 degree tilt instead of 90 degrees. The exercise was one-handed shooting while moving and I found it to be MUCH more accurate than upright for one-handed shooting. Sully explained that it was due to the way the wrist lined up with the radius. I dunno, but we did the drill enough to convince me.
Depends on what you mean by “validate”…
If you mean can someone state with objective certainty that the rolled-over “gangsta” grip is somehow faster, more accurate, or more controlled than keeping the gun more or less in its proper orientation in the vertical plane, the answer is probably “no”. An argument can be made for a cant of the wrist, but that’s about it. The concept of “point shooting” itself can get really fuzzy because it means different things to different people.
The um…coreography…starting at the 1:10 mark is…interesting, I suppose.
Speaking personally, if I was in the market for close quarters training I’d stick with Southnarc.
Surprised I didn’t see one of these on their pistols.
That video is multiple fail. I have seen few videos that are more unsafe than this one. What a joke.
B_C
When I say validate I mean your experience with this way of shooting one handed something like Hmac’s response.
I should clarify that Sully teaches that 30 degree cant as a tactic for shooting if your other hand is tied up. He doesn’t teach all that other cool ninja dancing stuff.
'course… I haven’t taken Urban Tactics III yet…
Wonder if that SBR in the last few seconds of the video is on a Form 4? :ph34r:
Why all the kung-fu/wing-tsun? If you already have your weapon in high ready and are almost touching it, nail the trigger guard in the menace’s nose bridge.
What country are these guys from?
“POLIZEI” on the back of their uniforms suggests a Germanic European country.
Got it, is a German company, the instructor on the video is Florian Lahner.
As one of the very few private companies in EU, LAHNER teaches military and Police units in tactical concepts and CQC with and without weapons. Among his clients are units of European Law Enforcement agencies, Military and Security Companies.
Florian Lahner - among the top tactical instructors in Europe - focuse heavily on real world combat application instead of sport or martial art and has build up a reputation as being one of the leading Instructors in Europe. Lahner trains regularly together with professional instructors in the USA and EU and stays on top of the evolution of combative tactis and teaching.
His most thought after seminars are the „Edged Weapon Awareness Program“, „Tactical Knife“ and the internationally recognized „Extreme Close Quarter Shooting courses“.
Florian Lahner holds different certifications in a number of Combat-Systems and is a Senior Tactical Instructor for Edged Weapons, Impact Tool, Tactical Baton, Firearms, OC, empty hands.
Lahner has been awarded the Hall of Fame Award of the US-based WHFSC as „Tactical Instructor of the Year“ four times - being the first European to be awarded that title in 2005.
Lots of videos on youtube…
I’ll care who the WHFSC pics as Tactical Instructor of the Year the day Ken and Larry pick the Mixed Martial Artist of the year.
A lane is a wonderful think to stay in.
Bwahahahahahhaa :lol:
So THAT is where that term comes from. I’ve never seen the movie.
I’m not SWAT but I have been told and read that a slight tilt while holding the pistol one handed was derived for the shield man. The reason being that he would not be able to see through the visor holding the firearm in its traditional orientation.
Some instructors at FLETC while I attended taught a slight tilt (if we preferred) during the one handed portion of our qual.
I never really understood the concept of a muzzle strike with a pistol.
Is the theory behind it that you use the pistol itself as a standoff device to create distance to ensure that you’re clear of what you’re trying to shoot before pressing the trigger?
Im just confused by what i saw in that video and i really cannot fathom why anyone would want to get involved in that. I also cannot fathom why anyone thats into “combat training” would want to waste time and effort dancing around like that.
Maybe IM out of my lane here but…why does this type of “training” exist?
>>The um…coreography…starting at the 1:10 mark is…interesting, I suppose.<<
Yeh - especially as it looks like the guy on the right sweeps the guy on the left!!! Yikes!
jm
It’s simple:
Say you’re a police officer and you’ve drawn your sidearm in response to a threat that’s presented in front of you…only now that your gun is out you’ve realized that it’s not the kind of threat it is appropriate to put bullets in. Say the person charges you and wants to have an argument over your gun.
While a muzzle strike can be very nasty and do some serious damage, a Glock to the teeth is somewhat less likely to be deadly than a bullet to the face…but is still likely to make the person you hit at least ponder whether or not they really do want to take that gun from you.
Maybe IM out of my lane here but…why does this type of “training” exist?
Extreme close quarters training has a legit place in the arsenal of the well-prepared individual. As I mentioned earlier, Southnarc puts on a superb class that covers all this stuff.