Could someone explain “PRIVI PARTISAN” to me. I originally thought it was a brand name, but then I saw some Wolf PRIVI PARTISAN and got confused.
Many say PRIVI PARTISAN is good ammo, and many say Wolf is crud. Thus Wolf PRIVI PARTISAN confused me.
It’s brass cased Serbian ammo. Wolf Gold is made by them in Serbia with brass cases not steel cases like regular Wolf ammo (Russian).
PP is good stuff. Their M193 is sealed, 5.56 hot w/good accuracy & it frags like M193. Bought mine at Widener’s, it’s currently $360/1K.
Tomac
WOLF M193 loaded by Priv was crap. They were running the WRONG propellant.
The current PRIV M193 is pretty good. I’ve read accounts both ways on the fragmentation issue though. Some have got it to frag, some haven’t.
If the 20 round box says “WOLF” on it, it’s the old stuff that kinda sucks. I think most of that ammo is gone though. You’ll probably only find the PRIV M193 at most dealers now.
I just ordered 8 boxes of the 75 grain stuff from G&R- heard it was the she-ite.
Well while I was on R/R we received a few hundred thousand rounds of Bulgarian 5.56 SS109 equivalent. It is causing problems in the Bushamster carbines just like the Prvi Partizan M855 stuff did. Blown primers and anvils, failures to extract, etc…I am starting to wonder if it is the carbines and not the ammo. A couple of theories floated around that the load may not be suitable for the M4gery.
When we fired it iin our new Bulgarian 5.56 AR M1’s they had zero issues. Anyone want to chime in on this?
I shot the Privi exclusively in the Low Light 2 class - not a high round count class, but the ammo seemed just fine.
I am going to order (2) of Ned Christiansons chamber reamers and check some of the carbines. I have a suspicion that maybe Bushamster bamboozled us and the chambers are not true 5.56. Though we have had no issues with the Lake City MILSPEC stuff that we procured.
The ammo has got to be a big part of the problem. For whatever reason, these foreign companies can not dial 5.56 powder in worth a shit.
From what I understand, Prvi is the mfg and Wolf is the distributor. Wolf doesn’t mfg anything. They contract out to various mfg’s (mostly, if not all, eastern bloc) and have ammo made. Wolf simply distributes and markets it.
I recall the issues with the early Prvi M193 ammo, but unless Wolf required Prvi to mfg it using a specific powder, I suspect any flaws would have been on Prvi. Maybe Wolf back doored them into a spec by specifying a price point, but Prvi in the end was the mfg.
From what I understand, their current lots are GTG. Maybe they learned along the way.
Yes. Wolf had nothing to do with it. But that’s how the ammo can easily be identified.
I’ve fired about 2 cases of PRVI over the past 6 months, one M193 one M855, with absolutely zero issues out of my LMT and my Saiga AK-101. It is quality ammo.
Both the Prvi Partizan SS109 and the Bulgarian SS109 worked great in the new Bulgarian 5.56’s that we bought from Arsenal Bulgaria in Kazanlak.
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Privi has NATO contracts. Good stuff.
Do you have a reference for that?
Not saying that you are wrong, just looking for data.
If you do a google search there’s quite a bit of info out there on the subject. This ammo is sometimes mistakenly refferred to as “Bosnian M193 or Bosnian M855 GTP” It’s not Bosnian-it’s Serbian. If you want something like an award contract letter I don’t have it. But really, there is a lot of info about their nato headstamped ammo. Sometimes you can get some from cheaper than dirt (they have it from time to time, but more often they have Ingman [Ingman is Bosnian]which is also super quality ammo). They don’t just make 5.56 either: www.prvipartizan.com/ …need cannon ammo? They make it.
Swede,
I’d really love to see where you can show that they have a NATO contract. Don’t believe what you read on the errornet. The Igman ammunition is manufactured in Bosnia Herzegovina allegedly to a NATO spec- it doesn’t mean anything else. If the headstamp has a circle with the cross in the center that would indicate that it is indeed NATO spec. Also, in order for the ammo to carry a real M855 designator it would have had to have been tested and approved (and I believe adopted) by the U.S military. It has not.
Prvi Partizan ammunition is manufactured Uzice, Serbia. I have over 230K of it here that was made in the last few years and we purchased it directly from Serbia and it does not have a NATO headstamp. It comes in plain white boxes and it listed as SS109. SS109 and M855 are not mutually exclusive. All M855 is SS109 (characteristics) not all SS109 is M855.
Some of you may remember a previous thread (you can read it here as well) about ammunition malfunctions that we were experiencing with our Bushamster 14.5" select fire carbines when shooting Prvi Partizan 62gr. SS109 ammunition as well a Bulgarian produced 62gr. SS109 ammunition.
The more I looked into the issue the more I started to believe that we may have issues with the weapons themselves and not the ammunition. One theory is that the chambers were not really 5.56 and that was causing the blown primers and anvils, failures to extract, etc…
A few days ago I built an upper utilizing a Colt MILSPEC 1/7 twist 14.5" barrel that was brand new. I utilized an H buffer, full auto bolt carrier and slipped an O-ring under the extractor. All testing took place at 25M death.
First magazine contained the PP 62gr. ammo being fired in semi auto. The first malfunction happened at approx. round number (6). The primer had blown and then lodged itself in the lugs of the barrel extension after the next round had chambered. I cleared the malfucntion and continued firing. I fired a few more and then switched to “Oh Shit”. While firing in auto the weapon functioned w/o issue.
Dumped the empty mag and then loaded the mag with the Bulgy 62gr. ammo. I fired several bursts in auto and then went back to semi. One malfunction occured at this point in which the primer appears to have been struck with no ignition.
The other tester and myself continued this until all magazines were empty with a small break at about magazine number (6). In all we fired 12 magazines loaded to 28 rounds. One round had a delayed ignition and went off just as he was was getting ready to clear the malfunction. We also had a few more rounds with light primer strikes that did not fire. In all there were approx. 6 rounds that malfunctioned out of 336 rounds fired.
Once we receive our chamber reamer from Ned Christiansen we will run it through a few of our carbines and then conduct more testing.
Wow! A hangfire eh? That’s scary.
I’m convinced it’s the ammo. Guns that run fine on LC ammo, but not on the foreign crapola?
It could be a combo of things though. Strange pressure curves from the jookie ammo combined with slightly out of spec chambers maybe.