Princeton can keep its cops unarmed

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/osha.guns/index.html

Princeton can keep its cops unarmed, OSHA says

* Story Highlights
* OSHA: Policy of not allowing officers to carry guns on campus not a violation
* Complaint alleged Princeton's policy was an occupational hazard
* Safety officers currently carry batons, handcuffs
* OSHA had not made further recommendations to the university

From The Daily Princetonian

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(UWIRE) – Princeton University’s policy of not allowing its officers to carry guns on campus doesn’t hurt the officers’ ability to do their jobs, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration ruled.

OSHA closed the case on June 24 after ruling on June 20 that Princeton had complied with OSHA regulations.

The complaint, filed by Public Safety Fraternal Orders of Police’s president and patrolman James Lanzi, alleged that the policy of not allowing Public Safety officers to carry guns was an occupational hazard.

Lanzi has been publicly pushing for the institution to arm trained Public Safety officers since early 2008.

“It’s a safety-and-health issue, a matter of our ability to respond to something – that’s the basis for the complaint,” Lanzi told the Times of Trenton earlier this week.

An informal complaint

The complaint was treated informally because Princeton did not meet the criteria for the on-site inspections conducted for formal complaints, OSHA spokeswoman Leni Uddyback-Fortson said. These criteria include the existence of a likely or imminent danger and previous OSHA citations, according to OSHA’s web site.

“Basically, the complaint itself alleged that the University was not providing its 22 police officers with the necessary tools that would allow them to do their job safely,” Uddyback-Fortson said.

OSHA treated the action as an informal complaint, allowing the school five days to respond in writing whether the allegation was valid or invalid, she said. OSHA found the university did provide the training and the personal protective equipment that was required by OSHA standards.

Public Safety officers currently carry batons, handcuffs and a substance similar to pepper spray. They also wear bulletproof vests.

A June 19 letter submitted to OSHA by Princeton noted that “two state courts have considered this identical issue, and both have dismissed the complaints” on the grounds that OSHA has no specific standards for equipping employees with firearms as “personal protective equipment.”

Princeton’s letter was referring to similar complaints filed against the University of Wisconsin and the University of Northern Iowa, both of which were ultimately dismissed by state courts.

Princeton went on to cite a Department of Justice survey stating that, as of 2004-05, only 30 percent of private colleges and universities nationwide with sworn police officers had armed public safety officers.

“For some colleges and universities, the right policy is to arm their public safety officers, but we believe that would not be the right policy for Princeton, at least for now,” Princeton spokeswoman Cass Cliatt said.

Princeton officials have said if an armed on-campus response is necessary the Princeton Borough and Princeton Township police departments will be able to adequately handle the situation.

“When there is a need for an armed officer in a situation that is potentially violent, we work with the Borough or Township to have them respond; that is one of our unique characteristics with our location between two municipalities,” Cliatt said.

Cliatt said the Princeton believes it is fully compliant with all OSHA regulations and that arming Public Safety officers could harm the relationship between students and officers.

In a March 3 column, however, Lanzi said that Public Safety officers would not be able to adequately respond to an “active shooter situation” on campus, such as the recent tragedies at Northern Illinois University and Virginia Tech.

“Princeton’s security plan eliminates an extremely valuable resource by not properly equipping Princeton University police officers with the necessary tools to protect themselves and the community,” he wrote.

Uddyback-Fortson says the union is not prohibited from filing another complaint.

“There’s nothing that says that they can’t file again,” she said.

Well I’m speechless!

Well, they are real smart there.

Ivy Leaguers are harmless.

Everyone knows that.

:rolleyes:

Gawd…

The Princeton policy is known. When you apply for a PO job, you know what you are getting into. IF you want to carry a gun and see action, join Camden, or Trenton PD, you will not be disappointed.

If OSHA had ruled against Pricenton, all the cops would have lost their jobs, as Princeton would have disbanded the police force and gone to unarmed private security.

Let me know how that goes.

It’s not that bad really, just walk around, collect paycheck. If armed troublemaker calls come in, just don’t show up and let the township PD take care of it.

The unfortunate part is that , eventually, they shall reap what they sow. Most likely at the expense of the faculty and student body.

When I was at Xavier, in Cinti., Campus Police could only carry the 6-shot revolver at night. This policy was there because the univ. didn’t want to appear to have any problems that would require an armed response. I guess I should be thankful they thought they needed it for at least 12 hrs of the day.

On a side note, V.P. of Xavier, John Kucia, eliminated the rifle program because Xavier didn’t want to be involved with guns anymore.

And they will deserve it and everything that comes of it too. :mad:

I guess all that education gets in the way of common sense, sooner or later someone will come along and provide a bit of guidance. Trick will probably be to get them to pay attention.

Cops, all cops, should be armed. But in all fairness, did anyone else see how the VA Tech cops failed to react, while armed? The film I saw on CNN showed the campus cops hiding behind trees listening to shots being fired. And for the record, I’ve responded to shots fired and don’t recall hiding behind a tree wondering what the hell to do.

Sounds good to me, I support any that hold a CHL going armed also, but the elite don’t approve so I guess they get an object lesson and then they get to bury their kiddies. Steep learning curve.