I’ve been carrying papers with me for like a decade now and I actually want some stray ATF agent to approach me sometime to request papers so that I can actually feel like I went to all of that work for a reason. It’s not going to happen in my lifetime though. I guess that’s for the better but the point is a LOT of people worry about the boogie man when it comes to these topics.
Sure. It just amazes me how well fear mongering works even with this crowd as it’s swept other forums especially like the latest dance craze or social media fad before common sense could kick in. I do have a couple of friends who have Trusts but that’s because their CLEO is a doucher and even in the middle of red states thinks that ‘SBRs and Suppressors only have one purpose, to kill people w/o other people knowing’ lol In that case the Trust is your only option and it’s a shame that the majority of people with Trusts for NFA purpose are ruining for those who actually need it just to own NFA items.
You never did say that “nobody” should do it but that also not what I asked either.
You specifically said that trusts were being abused in the “unfortunate” case of a CLEO refusing to sign off. My question is, “what’s the alternative?”
Or maybe you meant something else but just worded it poorly.
It’s not worded poorly if your reading comprehension is that of a Jr High student or above. Don’t twist my words to spark some stupid internet debate when everyone else here reading knows exactly what I said and I’ve since reiterated numerous times in this very thread. There should be no confusion on what I said or meant so how you can twist what I’ve said in your mind to mean the exact opposite is some impressive mental gymnastics.
Wow! Someone’s sensitive…
I saw your second post after the one I quoted & you meant something different than how you worded it in the one I quoted.
Whether you like it or not, it was worded poorly but… it was improved on the second go around.
There was no intention on “sparking stupid internet debate” or twisting of any words. Sorry you took my honest question, of seeking some clarity, to heart.
I’m not sensitive just tired of people sidetracking topics in an effort to say ‘look at me!’ when the rest of us are all on the same page.
Ok I’m not taking sides on this, but since it was my post to begin with, Jer and Markm answered my questions clearly.
Thanks Scott
To the ATF the Supressor IS the NFA weapon. If you legally can own and use a suppressor you can attach it to whatever rifle/pistol you want. You’re not registering a suppressed version of your firearm, you are registering the suppressor.
HF1434, which overturns the MN ban on suppressors, is now in the house. Call your reps, then call them again or forever give up your right to piss and moan about it.
HF 1434, legalization of suppressors in MN, passed the house 16-1! Good news for us Minnesotans
The Iowa game is waiting on the Democratic controlled Senate.
Why the single nay out of curiosity?
I know it’s not Iowa but the MN house (89-40 I believe) and Now the Senate passed (40-23) the legalization of suppressors in Minnesota.
Governor Dayton said he doesn’t intend to sign it in to law. Senator Latz, The majority leader for the MN Senate, said the same thing last week about bringing any pro 2A bills to a vote on the senate flow. Thursday night all five pro 2A bills passed with broad bipartisan support.
Please contact Governor Dayton to reconsider! We are literally one signature away from suppressors in MN!
If you can’t get CLEO then you have to get a trust or corp.
The problem is that many people use a trust or corp but can still get CLEO. These are the people that have drawn way to much attention to this issue and brought on 41P. They are abusers of the system.
The Minnesota suppressor bill is part of a huge omnibus bill. Usually I hate those for the major source of pork that they are, but in this case, Gov Dayton would have to veto the entire 165-page Omnibus Public Safety Finance and Policy bill to get to the two pages of silencer stuff. The bill is very wide-ranging, including programs about school safety, hazardous material programs, terrorism, firefighters, sex trafficking, accounting of rape kits and a bunch of other stuff.
Not entirely sure of all the provisions for use, but Minnesota is one of 43 states that still has the Line-item veto.
Only applies to appropriations bills.
The way it sounded (or at least how I read it) in the email I received from MN-GOCRA, is that the suppressor bill did not get added to the omnibus bill. My assumption, however, relies on my reading comprehension and I am open to correction.
It’s part of the Omnibus bill, but Dayton is making a lot of noise that he will veto the entire bill. Call your representative. Call the governor’s office.
Both my reps voted “Yes” for the suppressor bill and I’ve sent my comments to the governors office via email already. Just trying to get the word out to those around me who show interest.