4 man home invasion with at least one of the perps wearing body armor. Full article here.
“The gentleman that did get shot and was killed was wearing body armor,” Martin said. “That is a trend we are starting to see. The bad guys go in to do a robbery or home invasion and they have their body armor on."
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Thats why I enjoy plate shooting so much as one of the drills I do the plates are set between 5’6 and 6’0 high. The plates are marked with numbers and there is four banks of plates at different CQC distances. Timer calls out the engagement number and hits the tone.
Seems like another obvious area where rifle calibers beat pistol calibers for HD.
I always do. I disagree with instructors who almost always say to go with body shots only.
One of the issues that legitimizes and really drives home the purpose of drills that involve a head shot. If it doesn’t go down in two shots to the chest then move on to the head.
If you practice shooting 2" dots you should at least be ok.
It would also be a good idea to practice failure drills. Personally, I prefer controlled pairs to pelvis. Also practice this from the ground.
Right.
If you take the general advice and use an AR for HD,
most body armor will be a NON issue.
I highly recommend against intentionally targeting the pelvis against a lethal threat at distances under 50 yards or where you could lose observation of the threat if they drop.
A pelvic hit might achieve incapacitation, but with nowhere near the certainty or immediacy of CNS or even thoracic cavity hits, especially with pistol calibers.
And it’s a trend…? Damn.
Look like it was a drug robbery. Defender was wanted on drug trafficking charges: LINK
Martin said the homeowner, Rudolph Deandre Davis, had a right to protect his home and would not be charged in relation to Wednesday’s shooting. However, he was detained Wednesday night by authorities as the subject of an ongoing federal drug investigation that was launched by the Halifax County Sheriff’s Office.
Maj. Bruce Temple, lead investigator for the sheriff’s office, said Davis was taken into custody Wednesday.
“He was definitely prepared,” Temple said of Davis’ reaction to the home invasion. “He had multiple assailants converging on him.”
Davis is in federal custody, facing charges related to cocaine distribution.
I hear you, but for most shooters how likely are they to score head shots in a robbery/home invasion? Your moving, the target is moving, lots of panic.
I can do it fairly easily with sims against other people but I don’t think most folks get that sort of training.
Unless you are moving through your home to get to children or other loved ones, you should not be moving. Barricade and ambush.
Even if you are clearing your house, there isn’t a lot of movement involved with a slow deliberate clear so there shouldn’t be much shooting on the move if proper tactics are used.
And if the reader’s mindset is so weak that their body alarm response makes makes them panic, rather than gain a nervous calm/focus, the concepts being discussed here don’t really apply to that person. although training and visualizing strengthen mindset, this is where experience shines … you can’t replicate real stress with any training system. all I am trying to say is that a guy who panics isn’t going to do anything right tactically, he’s gonna freeze or go full auto and launch bullets all over the place blindly or something along those lines. This info is useless to “that guy.”
Agreed, it would really suck to put a couple in a guy with my carry ammo and not have him go down. Just further reinforces my decision to use my AR as my HD gun.
Totally agree with you that unless you’re securing family you should be posted up somewhere waiting for ambush. How long are most people’s hallways? Pretty short I’d presume, and if you’ve already put a few into their chest and they’re not going down you should be able to move your gun up and make those CNS headshots at close range.
At 8:00PM aren’t most people going to be watching TV, washing laundry, dishes, doing homework, reading or what have you.
How are they going to get set up to ambush someone that just busted their door down?
That’s not my neighborhood but it is my State and I’m also starting to notice that a lot of robbery oriented crimes are surfacing with multiple ( 2+ suspects ) that seem to have some sort of organization to their efforts and not necessarily local to whom they are robbing.
There always is that long list of variables that will dictate the best option. Ambush isn’t even always the best bet if you have family members to protect and complications like that (single people who live by themselves have it pretty easy in terms of simplified courses of action).
If sitting and watching TV and there is a break in then depending on location of the entry (entries in the worse case scenarios) and building layout, where “friendlies” are, etc you might be best storming the intruder, waiting in ambush, just turning and engaging (jumps through a window 10 feet from you), or simply walking out and calling the cops. Even if in bed sleeping you might be forced to move to the fight location if someone is attacked or unsafe.
Many different scenarios but the home owner going commando and leaving the wife cowering in the bed room as they solo clear the house of the bad guys is general a fantasy scenario. Not saying anyone here is advocating it but its thinking like that which is why ambushing vs clearing is brought up, generally people have better options and/or more needed ones.
Hate to be the guy who would have to clear a building solo, well at all for that matter.
Unfortunately, a lot of folks on gun forums like to engage in Walter Mitty fantasies regarding how they will act ‘when the shit goes down.’ Few have actually ever received much training in the matter and fewer still have ever been in a life or death struggle. Most ‘normal’ people are not ready to, at a moments notice, fight for their life.
As a general rule, security should be tiered and layered. Rule number one, have good PERSEC and don’t make yourself or your home an easy or attractive target. Have good physical security measures in place, and for God sakes don’t just open the door because someone knocked on it. From my read of home invasions they seem to occur when the home owner opens the door for whatever reason. Sometimes the BGs attack when you are coming home, but they always wait for you to open the door first (and preferably disarm the security system).
I couldn’t agree more. If I’m firing in anger, and I need to take the time to get a sight picture after the first couple shots, I want that fight over instantly. CNS does that, even if I can’t get that round off quite as quickly
Agreed. Storm doors with quality locks that stay locked. Solid core doors with heavy duty deadbolts and reinforced frames. Mylar security film on double pane windows. large breed dog that guards momma ferociously. The at hand pistols are for fighting our way to the long guns. Security awareness when entering or leaving the home. House keys come off the keyring when the car gets serviced. Car GPS has a nearby convenience store as the home address. No status updates on Facebook or other social media. GPS tagging is disabled on phones and cameras, etc., etc., etc.
The BG’s might win as nothing in life is certain, but they’re not going to find their way to me easily and they’re damned sure going to suffer heavy losses if they try! :mad:
Practicing to move to head shots is good karma. There are all kinds of mind altering substances that can allow a perp to soak up a lot of ammo, even without armor before dropping.
Remember the infamous Miami FBI shooting. Platt took a 9mm round in the chest, stopping just short of his heart. A major vessel was struck with that round and he had 1.3 liters of blood in his chest cavity. Both him and Matix were stone sober.
However, heads are small fast moving targets and notoriously hard to hit on purpose.