My search-fu is weak.
Is there a thread here on the forum dicussing the practicality of utilizing a Battlecomp or similar device on a defensive carbine?
I am considering trying a Battlecomp on my SBR and 16" Midlength, and while I have read numerous threads about how effective they are at what they are designed to do, I haven’t read much about the practical use of these devices in a non-competition setting.
I like BC’s (and am not a comp type of guy). They are not as loud as many of the other comps out there and do a decent job at killing flash.
For me personally, I like MB’s and Comps best when used with suppressors.
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What can be better than the ability to stay on target for follow up shots on a defensive carbine? 
I love my comps, but they are obnoxious. I know it bothers some, but I shoot on a private range. Hell, I’m obnoxious sometimes too.
But, I don’t compete.
I also believe that if the rifle is going to be used inside a dwelling/home defense, it’s not such a great idea.
Your ears will thank you for NOT using one in the above situation.
I don’t want anything with the word"comp" in the description.
They’re loud enough with typical flash suppressors. I fired a friend’s that had a battle comp. Didn’t seem quite as loud as a comp,but still,not for me.
I use them on duty and training weapons. While some people will comment on proper stance and the fundamentals instead of a comp, I’ll argue back that while those things are important, the Battle Comp isn’t a replacement for those things, it is an enhancement for them.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Thanks guys.
Grant and Stick I am particularly pleased to see you two chime in.
I would eventually like to run a M4-2000, and had even begun the process, but with current financial obligations, it just isn’t the right time to proceed down that road.
I would employ the BC’s on a 10.5" LMT and a 16" Middy BCM. I think the BCM would be fine, but worry a little about increased concussion and flash on the LMT. I don’t have hands on with the BC nor do I have one nearby to try (to my knowledge at least).
I too worry about using the BC as a crutch (intentional or not) but also agree that it should be used as an enhancement to proper training and not a replacement for it, and used to enhance ones “combat effectiveness” (although for me combat is not likely to extend past protecting my home and family).
If the more experienced users here feel that the BC is a suitable enhancement for a defensive carbine whose benefits outweight a possible increase in concussion, sound and flash, then I will probably pick one up at my earliest convenience to test out.
I think the BattleComp is a good choice. I have one on both of my SCARs and they’re less obnoxious than the PWS brakes that came on them.
I should state for this thread that when I fired my handgun in defense inside of a vehicle with the windows up, the very last thing I was concerned about was the noise. Actually, I noticed the smell more than the noise. I’m sure a carbine with a brake would have been much louder though but I don’t have experience with a comped AR indoors in that particular type of situation.
I can’t stand comps. However, the BC is by far the least obnoxious of any that I’ve used. I would caution, however, to not use them on short barrels. What begins as, ‘a bit louder’ on a 16" rifle turns into, ‘too fucking loud!!’ on an 11.5" gun (I only run FH’s on SBR’s. Well, that or suppressors)
I’m of the opinion that the majority of shooters would be better off spending the money on 5.56 ammunition but if you’re dead-set on a comp on a carbine, go with a BC; of all of the options out there it is the current best compromise IMO.
I’m also intrigued by the news Ares Armor muzzle device but that isn’t quite out yet to my knowledge.
Now a BC on a x39 Kalashnikov on the other hand… do want.
I really want to try one of these out on an AR-15, but am concerned about the concussion if I ever needed to use the rifle in an enclosed area. I have been caught off-guard at the range by an AR-15 With a birdcage before I had my muffs on and it kinda sucked (range has a sheet metal overhang). I can only imagine indoors with any type of brake/compensator.
@Dave M: What thgreadpitch you running on the Kalash?
We may have proto or two you might like.
14x1LH like most. I do have an increasingly rare 22mm muzzle setup and some 24mm threads (and even one 1/2x28) but 14x1LH, especially for AK’s, has got to be the most common. Out of my AKM’s, probably 75% are 14x1LH
Comps inside:
If you come to shooting another person in self defense inside your home, the comp is not going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference in either direction.
Distance will probably be measured in single digit meters, so recoil management won’t be crucial
Whatever you shoot indoors is going to be loud, really loud,and it will probably damage your hearing to some degree, but you won’t really notice it when under life or death duress. Some comps are obnoxious, many are less so, but they are all in same general magnitude of loudness. It really isn’t that big of a deal unless you are working with team-mates that will have to deal with concussive blast without warning; that can lose you cool points.
Now, that’s for indoor work.
Expand range and the balance shifts.
That’s pretty much what I was trying to say above about firing in self defense inside of a closed space.
[i]The Troy Claymore brake does a good job with controlling muzzle rise while even a better job with redirecting the blast. During courses with shooting aside mates, I didn’t hear any complaints regarding the obnoxious side blast and noise comparing to the Miculek brake which was horrid to be anywhere in the area.
At the price point of around $70 retail, it’s a good option in the market. It’s design won’t be as effective as brakes made by PWS FSC556 and similar styles but the compromise is worth it.
Again it’s important to factor in the type of range you’ll be practicing (in which in my case is indoors) and other friendlies around you. Keep in mind for home defense, you may not have immediate access to ear protection so those walls surrounding those precious ear drums will appreciate a brake that will not echo directly back to you.[/i]
Check out auditory exclusion, I don’t think you will have any problems.
Sorry for the brief derail:
I know I like mine alot. Recoil is still there but muzzle rise is significantly improved.
Maybe I am crazy but I don’t notice any additional noise from it at all compared to a slant brake. It is definitely much more comfortable blast wise for those next to you compared to an AK74 style brake (also weighs less). Still testing it out, but I might get the AKBC perm’d and chop my barrel to 16" OAL.
To OP:
+1 to what Stick said.
I was wondering about the Claymore. I have one cause it was free, its mounted on the SBR until I get a BC. I want to at least try it an see for myself
Stick, thankfully I have never had to fire a weapon in anger and hope that I never do. The closest I can say that I’ve come to auditory exclusion is in a hunting scenario, and I know there have been several times that when concentrating on taking a deer I knew the shot went off but wasn’t conscious of the report or recoil and I know my ears didn’t ring afterward.
My concern would be more long term for myself or those around me, although I don’t know if a one time situation would cause permanent damage.
While I think one is definitely in the future for my 16" Carbine, can anyone tell me if there are any Battlecomps in use on sub 12.5" SBRs in a respected military or LE environment or by any top trainers? (Weren’t the Magpul Dynamics guys running some Triple Taps on SBRs? I would think that would be somewhat similar.)
Thanks!