Practical Marksmanship Rifle (UPDATED @ Post 21)

This has been my latest project, my Designated Marksmanship Training Rifle (DMTR) or Demeter for short.

BLUF Parts list:

Upper
[ul]
[li]BCM 20" government rifle with pinned FSP and A2 birdcage flash hider
[/li][li]Magpul MOE rifle
[/li][li]BCM Auto BCG
[/li][li]Rainier Arms Raptor charging handle
[/li][li]BCM detachable carry handle sight
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Lower
[ul]
[li]Spikes Tactical lower
[/li][li]G&R LPK
[/li][li]VLTOR A5 buffer kit
[/li][li]VLTOR EMod stock
[/li][li]BCM Gunfighter mod 1 pistol grip
[/li][li]BAD ASS-ST safety selector (Crank/Stubby)
[/li][li]Geissele SSA-E trigger
[/li][li]Noveske QD end plate
[/li][li]
[/li][/ul]

Sling
[ul]
[li]TAB Gear Sling
[/li][/ul]

Final Weight: 8.0 lbs

Background: Late last summer, I got involved in an informal shooting match with a friend of mine out on his property in Mississippi. We ran neck and neck for just about every event we tried: pistol, shotgun, CQB rifle, etc. But the tie breaker was an iron-sighted M-16A2 clone shot from the second floor window of his house. The target was a standard 108mm clay pigeon at 120ish yards. He hit it, I didn’t. This sent me on the course to realizing that all of my focus had been on short range rifle, pistol, and shotgun shooting. I’d spent some time laying behind a bipod and scope at longer ranges, but I have never really worked on the fundamentals of marksmanship and positional shooting, especially with iron sights. Earlier this year, I established some shooting goals for myself to achieve by the end of the year. I’ve been working hard on those goals, but none of my rifles were set up exclusively to work on these fundamentals. I improvised for a while, but it meant removing the RDS from the home defense rifle, which had its own drawbacks.

Purpose: I needed a rifle that would meet several needs. I did NOT, however, need it to be a defensive tool. So you won’t see the flashlights and other “standard” accouterments of most AR-15s these days.

#1: I am active duty USAF but not in a traditional combat role. Typically, IF anyone in my career field is deployed and issued a weapon, it’s an iron sighted M16A2 and a M9. I wanted to have a weapon that would allow me to practice on a setup very similar to what I would be issued (the rest of my carbines are more than adequate for simulating the m4, and I routinely practice with my Beretta 92A1).

#2: I wanted a platform that was simple and non-threatening to new shooters. I like introducing people to the culture by out to the range and introducing them to shoot. I wanted something that would be soft-shooting, adjustable for various shapes/sizes, and not be finicky about ammo selection. I also didn’t want a rifle that would “look” intimidating.

#3: I wanted a rifle that would lend itself well to practicing traditional marksmanship, to include slung-supported positions. My marksmanship goals for the end of the year require a roughly 4 MOA standard of accuracy from any position. I was originally slightly concerned about the accuracy of a standard barrel, but the more I’ve read from experienced shooters (like Shawn at loose rounds), the more comfortable I am with a standard rifle. Two articles of interest are here and here, one detailing a standard iron sighted M16 shooting at 1000 yards, and the other showing the accuracy capability of a standard government barrel with good ammo selection. I’m not shooting bench rest, and a standard barrel is more than capable of the accuracy I need (and probably FAR more capable, as the link above will show)

The Rifle:

Final Weight, as pictured: 8.0 lbs

Upper

The base is a BCM 20” government. I used a MOE rifle handguard because I find it much more comfortable than the standard round plastic ones. The flatter bottom half lends itself well to positional shooting and I wanted a pinned FSP for the best iron sight practice. I wanted the rifle length gas system due to its benefits regarding the smoothness of operation. I had considered going with a 18” rifle gassed system, like the Rainier Mountain line, and having a pinned FSP installed. But, in the end, I figured that if I was going to build a gun dedicated to practicing marksmanship, I might as well go traditional and squeeze all the velocity out of the 5.56 as I practically could. The muzzle device is a standard A2 birdcage, though I have given some serious thought to a Battlecomp or Griffin Flashcomp.

I finished the upper with a BCM auto BCG, Rainier Arms Raptor charging handle, and a BCM detachable carry handle sight. I’ve been using BCM gunfighter mod 4 charging handles on every build I’ve done. From the moment I installed the Raptor, I knew that all future builds would be using it. The raptor is an exceptionally nice piece of hardware, and I highly recommend it. The iron sight selection should be pretty obvious, as I’m trying to stick close to the M16A2.

In the future, I may remove the MOE handguard and install a Centurion C4 rail. While there is certainly an accuracy benefit to this, it will probably be more to get that A4-ish feel and maybe lighten the whole thing up a bit. The downside to the rail is that it makes the rifle look a bit more “threatening” to the uninitiated.

The Lower

The lower is a Spikes Tactical unit that I had on hand. It is finished with a G&R LPK, Vltor A5 buffer system, EMod stock, BCM gunfighter grip, BADASS-ST safety levers, and a Geissele SSA-E trigger.

The A5 is installed in all of my carbines, and I saw no reason to deviate. It lets me keep the smoother compression rate of a rifle spring, but also lets me use a collapsing stock. This is a great addition for both positional shooting and shooters of smaller stature. The EMod gives enough weight at the rear of the gun to balance out the longer front end. As of now, the gun balances just behind the delta ring assembly. That’s a bit more of a forward balance than I’m used to (my other carbines all balance right in the middle of the mag well), but the extra bit of weight out front actually helps stabilize when shooting from odd positions.

I started using the BCM gunfighter grips on my carbines, as I do think its more comfortable when doing the “dynamic” shooting. The jury is still out for more traditional marksmanship shooting, though. I don’t find it uncomfortable in any way, but I’m not sure that it’s really offering any benefit, either.

I’m a huge fan of Geissele triggers. My other ARs all have SSA, SSA-E, and SD-E triggers. I have an ALG ACT sitting in the backup bin, just in case. I know that my goals would lead me to use the ACT over the SSA-E, since it is close to a mil-spec trigger, but every gun I own has a two-stage trigger. I wanted to keep with tradition.

The Sling

The sling is a TAB Gear Sling. Traditional marksmanship requires a traditional loop sling. I tried to make due with my VCAS and MS2, but it just wasn’t the same. I also have a Turner AWS 1907 sling, but I find it too cumbersome to adjust quickly. The TAB sling was on my bolt gun; and since my local range has restricted calibers to 5.56 and below, I didn’t see a need to leave such a nice sling on a .308 that I couldn’t shoot. I find that the TAB sling gives a nice balance between sturdiness and ease of adjustment. The nylon material is a good bit slicker than the Turner AWS, so it tends to slide down more if you don’t cinch it tight, but it still gets the job done.

I’ll also throw a plug in for Triad Tactical’s gear. The pictures here have their shooting mat (in ATACS-FG) and rear bag. I never really used a shooting mat before I started working on my shooting fundamentals from odd positions in rough terrain. The mat has held up well to just about anything I can throw at it. The rear bag is geared more towards bipod or ruck stack shooting, but does serve as a valuable tool to get new people into the sport. I really like the wedge shape, since it helps me adjust the stock’s elevation just by moving it to a different position.

Anyway, thanks for looking!

that is a very nice and clean set up!

Excellent concept, and nice build.

After I attend my first class next month, I want to start practicing the fundamentals with iron sights only.

Thanks! That’s what I was going for. It’s kinda the anti-AR these days. But, oddly enough, I’m finding that the less stuff I put on my guns, the more versatile they get. My home defense AR was running with just irons and a flashlight for about a month and a half. I found that it was every bit as useful as my other guns, and lighter to boot. It just wasn’t as “fast” without the XPS.

Thanks! The more I shoot, the more I realize where to spend my time, energy, and money in shooting. My first project ended up being a several thousand dollar “do-all” recce-ish rifle that was fun, but was honestly built more for image than practicality. I recall a certain banned yellow visor wearing member of the community who used to tell people to start with a simple iron sighted rifle and shoot until you really understand what it is that you want. I wish I had taken that advice way back then.

The more I practice the fundamentals, the more I think our community has drifted away from them. There’s nothing wrong with training for close and fast, but I’m finding something zen-like about just slowing down and learning to really appreciate the rifle for itself.

Good write-up, B24. It’s what a custom build post should be. I also appreciate how the rifle is a direct result of what you’ve learned along your journey and is built to satisfy no one’s needs but your own.

Very nicely done on all accounts

You know, it’s funny in a way. When you get to your third rifle, you feel more freedom to build something that you actually need versus what you think you’re supposed to do. My first AR was do-all SHTF gun turned recce. The second was a lightweight classic home defense gun (by M4C standards). And while I really enjoy both of those guns, I felt “pressure” to build the “right” guns. The third one was just totally free from that, and I really liked the process.

I didn’t really believe it when I was building my first one years ago, but there is a lot to be said for the simplicity of a good smooth shooting iron-sighted rifle.

Interesting and worthy project and goal for sure.
and thank you for linking to my articles on Looserounds.com
Nothing builds confidence like learning to shoot iron sights in traditional positions.

The thing to keep in mind is not to let the romantic notion of the battle rifle with iron sights, get out of hand.

When I see guys getting excited about shooting with iron sights I am happy, but many go to the extreme of starting to poo poo res dots. A plain gun is light and slick adn handy, But when fighting, not that great, the other stuff is not junk, its force multipliers. Its not easy to lay in some odd position on your side and be able to make a fast shot with irons, Its hard to see iron sights in the dark. some positions you can find yourseelf in can make irons useless. the Red dot it still our most useful general purpose tool.
I am not saying this to talk anyone out of getting great with their iron sights, but to help you keep some perspective for those who get a little too enthusiastic about it to the point of absurdity.

one last thought to those who want to start going down this same route. Do not think you have to use a 20 inch rifle. the M4 15.5 or 16 inch barrel is also capable of the same performance. You can learn just as much and gain the same skill with a rack M4 pattern.

Why not a free-floating rail?

Nice rifle Brigand – it is very similar to how my main go-to AR started out. I went with a PSA 20" A4 upper with a FN gov’t profile barrel, MOE handguard, and collapsible stock. It has since had a MI-SS G2 free float handguard installed, which is a nice feature for the type of shooting you’re talking about, because with the sling attached to the handguards, it produces no POI shift going from shooting slung to unsupported to monopodded to rested.

shawn makes some good points above about all the advantages of a red dot… and with a nice co-witnessed setup with a good rear sight, it doesn’t really give anything up compared irons only. I have an Aimpoint PRO on mine, with a KAC 2-600m folding rear sight. That rear sight is awesome. It is fully adjustable for windage and elevation in the same increments as the factory carry handle, yet it folds away when you don’t need it, and co-witnesses through the red dot when you do. For close and fast stuff, use the red dot. If you need to shoot outside of the BSZ distance for the red dot, just flip up the rear, crank it to your distance, and start laying it down. It works great. The sling is one I made out of some GI nylon slings – it is a quick adjustable tactical 2-point, but it has an arm loop in the front that works great for sling-supported shooting and is very quick to get in and out of.

I now have a MOE fixed rifle stock on it… I found that I would always leave the collapsible stock set at pretty much that length anyway, and figured I might as well have the better cheek weld and reduced recoil the fixed stock provides. I also think I’ll send my barrel off to Adco pretty soon to have it milled down to 0.58" “pencil profile” forward of the gas block, to basically give the barrel the same profile as an A1. It should help the rifle’s handling significantly… and all the weight will come off a place where it doesn’t produce any benefit whatsoever (unless you plan on mounting a bayonet and using it as a pry bar).

Anyway here’s my A4:

Oh and I almost forgot… have you been to an Appleseed? That program teaches exactly the type of shooting you are talking about. Nobody teaches the fundamentals of marksmanship better. Your “Demeter” would be pretty much the perfect rifle to take to an Appleseed to get the most out of it.

Thanks for offering the words. I agree with you. I wouldn’t have started this project if I did not already have what you describe. Red dots and other optics are a huge evolutionary leap ahead in capability. This was built to meet a specific need/want, and there’s nothing saying that another configuration couldn’t have done it just as well.

For anyone asking why I went with a full 20", it’s probably got more to do with “why not?” than anything else. I wanted a rifle gas system, and there’s something nostalgic about a 20" government barrel. Maybe not terribly useful for most modern situations…but I didn’t want it for that.

I plan on doing a free float down the line. But, honestly, it just came down to cost at this point. The cost savings on running it as-is right now versus saving another couple months to buy a free float (that would offer me marginal improvement in capability for the ranges I’m typically practicing) lets me buy more ammo to practice with. I know wrenching down on a sling attached to the FSB will affect POI at longer ranges, but I’m not shooting that far (yet), and I honestly don’t think my present skill level would let me see the difference between standard handguards and free floated handguards at closer ranges.

Sadly, no. I really want to go to one, as I know they have a great reputation. There is one coming up in August about an hour away from me, and it just so happens to coincide with some leave from work for nothing in particular (I call it “leave me alone leave”). I may have to go sign up for it!

That’s ‘Just’ an M16A5 - a brilliantly executed one, but effectively that. I’m jealous.
I’d run it exactly as-is, until you’re running match ammunition through it, the lack of free float isn’t going to be relevant unless you’re running really high tension on a stock, so just more time spent on ammunition.

Thanks! I’ve been Google imaging pictures of the elusive M16A5 since I installed my first A5 kit. I think that was part of the appeal for going with a 20" as well.

Your rifle is exactly how I want my a4 to turn out, except for the KAC rail that I want on mine.

Great build!

It amazes me that no one sells a complete 20" rifle like yours: KISS + A5/eMod. I decided to go no-carry handle on my 20" build in progress, but after seeing this I’ll really need to a dedicated irons rifle at some point. Cheers.

Call Grant at G&R, and you can get exactly that, possible for cheap. BCM Could make a factory unit like that, but most anybody who is savvy enough and already wants something like that will just make their own, or find an A4 upper and build their own A5 lower.

Another option is the LMT cut down rear sight. It offers you all the same benefits of the carry handle, but leaves room for an RDS if you wish. Honestly, if this was not my third rifle, I probably wouldn’t have gone with the carry handle (I just happened to have one laying around). There is a strong possibility that this rifle may end up with a TA-11 or TA-33 some day. I put my TR-24 on it when it first arrived, and quickly realized that any 1-whatever variable would be a no-go on a rifle with a FSP for me. On the other hand, my Vortex PST 2.5-10x32 worked very well on the 20", and would make a great field rifle if I didn’t mind the weight.

I like it for a dedicated iron sight practice rifle for now, but I don’t think it’s going to stay that way forever. I’m certainly in no hurry, though. She shoots beautifully and I feel no need to change anything at the moment.

Man that looks good. I have been want to build one just like that but keep putting if off, try to save for a SPR or 308 style. But after seeing pics again it has renew my interest.

Just let your needs dictate. This rifle is fun to shoot, for sure. it’s certainly heavier than my other ARs for what it brings to the table, but I got used to it quickly. I’m not sure if I would favor it for actually carrying over my lightweight options (which both have optics and lights, and still come in lighter than this one), but I certainly wouldn’t feel disadvantaged by doing so. The extra weight out front does offer some benefits to the shooting style I use it for, and I really appreciate the smoothness of the rifle gas system and A5 set up.

I’ve kicked around the idea of an SPR for years. But I kept holding off. There’s nothing you’re gaining by going with an 18" that you can’t do with a 16" with less weight. If you still want the SPR style, might as well go with a .308 (I’ve had just such a project on hold for over a year).

Extremely cool rifle!!! It must be a great shooter. I’m slowly putting together something similar. Agree, there is a zen’ishness with shooting irons.

Also, how cool is it that you have a friend that has friendly shooting competitions shooting out of the 2nd story window!!! I have to move out of NJ.