Polish President dies in plane crash....

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[b]By JIM HEINTZ, Associated Press Writer Jim Heintz, Associated Press Writer – 2 mins ago

[i]MOSCOW – Polish President Lech Kaczynski and some of the country’s highest military and civilian leaders died Saturday along with dozens of others when the presidential plane crashed as it came in for a landing in thick fog in western Russia.

Russian and Polish officials offered conflicting death tolls but agreed there were no survivors on the Soviet-era Tupolev, which was taking the president, his wife and staff to events marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police.

The Army chief of staff, Gen. Franciszek Gagor, National Bank President Slawomir Skrzypek and Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer were also on board, the Polish foreign ministry said.

The head of Russia’s top investigative body, Sergei Markin, said there 132 people on the Tu-154. Poland’s Foreign Ministry spokesman, Piotr Paszkowski, said there were 89 people on the passenger list but one person had not shown up.

“We still cannot fully understand the scope of this tragedy and what it means for us in the future. Nothing like this has ever happened in Poland,” Paszkowski said. “We can assume with great certainty that all persons on board have been killed.”

The governor of the Smolensk region, where the crash took place about 11 a.m. (0700 GMT), also said no one survived.

State news channel Rossiya-24 showed footage from the crash site, with pieces of the plane scattered widely amid leafless trees and small fires burning in woods shrouded with fog. A tail fin with the Polish red and white colors stuck up from the debris.

“The Polish presidential plane did not make it to the runway while landing. Tentative findings indicate that it hit the treetops and fell apart,” Sergei Anufriev said on Rossiya-24. “Nobody has survived the disaster.”

The presidential Tu-154 was at least 20 years old. Polish officials have long discussed replacing the planes that carry the country’s leaders but said they lacked the funds. According to the Aviation Safety Network, there have been 66 crashes involving Tu-154s, including six in the past five years. The Russian carrier Aeroflot recently withdrew its Tu-154 fleet from service.

The crash is likely to be a setback in Polish-Russian relations, which had been improving of late after being poisoned for decades over the Katyn massacre.

Russia never has formally apologized for the murders of some 22,000 Polish officers, but Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s decision to attend a memorial ceremony earlier this week in the forest near Katyn was seen as a gesture of goodwill toward reconciliation. Rossiya-24 showed hundreds of people around the Katyn monument, many holding Polish flags, some weeping.

In Warsaw, Prime Minister Donald Tusk called an extraordinary meeting of his Cabinet and the national flag was lowered to half-staff at the presidential palace, where people gathered to lay flowers and light candles.

Black ribbons appeared in some windows in the Polish capital.

Poland’s president is commander-in-chief of its armed forces but the position’s domestic duties are chiefly symbolic. Kaczynski, 60, became president in December 2005 after defeating Tusk in that year’s presidential vote.

The nationalist conservative was the twin brother of Poland’s opposition leader, former Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski. Kaczynski’s wife, Maria, was an economist. They had a daughter, Marta, and two granddaughters.

Kaczynski had said he would seek a second term in presidential elections this fall. He was expected to face an uphill struggle against Parliament speaker Bronislaw Komorowski, the candidate of Tusk’s governing Civic Platform party.

According to the constitution, Komorowski would take over presidential duties.

Poland, a nation of 38 million people, is by far the largest of the 10 formerly communist countries that have joined the European Union in recent years.

Last year, Poland was the only EU nation to avoid recession and posted economic growth of 1.7 percent.

It has become a firm U.S. ally in the region since the fall of communism — a stance that crosses party lines.

The country sent troops to the U.S.-led war in Iraq and recently boosted its contingent in Afghanistan to some 2,600 soldiers.

U.S. Patriot missiles are expected to be deployed in Poland this year. That was a Polish condition for a 2008 deal — backed by both Kaczynski and Tusk — to host long-range missile defense interceptors.

The deal, which was struck by the Bush administration, angered Russia and was later reconfigured under President Barack Obama’s administration.

Under the Obama plan, Poland would host a different type of missile defense interceptors as part of a more mobile system and at a later date, probably not until 2018.

Kaczynski is the first serving Polish leader to die since exiled World War II-era leader Gen. Wladyslaw Sikorski in a plane crash off Gibraltar in 1943.

U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Saturday, “This is a horrible tragedy for Poland and we extend to the people of Poland our deepest condolences.”

Neighboring Germany’s foreign minister, Guido Westerwelle, said he was “shocked and full of sadness” at Kaczynski’s death.

“All the German people are mourning with our Polish neighbors,” Westerwelle said during a visit to South Africa.


Associated Press Writers Mansur Mirovalev in Moscow, Monika Scislowska in Warsaw, Geir Moulson in Berlin, Deborah Seward in Paris and Naomi Koppel in London contributed to this report[/b][/i]

Just hit the treetops, huh? Bummer…

Quite a catastrophe indeed. At least his successor is a known anti-communist.

Since Putin was to attend the ceremony remembering the slain troops, perhaps this will allow the two nations to bond even more effectively over what is now their dual tragedy. Maybe a greater good will come of it.

This appears to be a case where the pilots didn’t want to piss off the national leadership by landing else where, attempting to land in fog, when they should have went to an alternate airfield with better weather. Also, the pilots instrument skills and the decision to make a “go around”, when they couldn’t make or see the runway (reaching the decision height), was piss poor and resulted in this tragedy.

The Poles, I think, are done ‘bonding’ with Russia for awhile.

My ex wife was Polish. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that while the Poles dislike the Germans a great deal, they HATE the Russians.

I hope this matter is properly investigated and it doesn’t further damage relations between the two nations.

Yeah my friend’s GF is Polish, her parents are immigrants. They absolutely despise the Russians.

Jay

Do not confuse “Russian” with “Soviet”…

Sounds like you might be right.

They had a date with the ubiquitous cumulogranite. :frowning:

This is sad news.

Say what? I’m not sure what you are trying to suggest, but in my experience the Poles I know have minimal affection for Russians, “Soviet” or otherwise.

I was just thinking the same thing. My ex wife and her family made no distinction between the two…

Agreed. My ex-wife (Czech) and former in-laws in the Czech Republic (formerly known as Czechoslovakia. Slovakia is a separate country of it’s own as well), hated Russians. Most Europeans and folks from other former Soviet block countries, make or express, no distinction between the two. The term “Russian”, is what I have heard, almost exclusively. In many briefing back in the day as a former Army MI Officer, the two terms were used interchangeably.

Why is it that history seems to like to stick it to the Poles? The Allies chose to go to war over the Nazi/Soviet invasion of Poland, only to sell the Poles out at Yalta and Potsdam. Recently Obama eliminated the missile shield in eastern Europe while the Poles have been one of staunchest allies. Wheres the crazy conspiracy theorists one?

Anyone else catch the irony here?

“Russian and Polish officials offered conflicting death tolls but agreed there were no survivors on the Soviet-era Tupolev, which was taking the president, his wife and staff to events marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police.”

Poland has just about the saddest history in Europe, IMO. And that includes Ireland, which is saying something.

I am not by any means diminishing the dislike between the two nations, just noting that Putin was due to attend as a gesture of good will. Maybe in some ironic way this can lead to something good, as tragedy has forged bonds in the past.

But you are probably correct and I surly don’t think it’s a given.

They have the bad luck to live on what is essentially a plain with little in the way of natural barriers or defenses, right smack dab in between the Germans and the Russians. It’s like my Aunt Sally pitching a tent in a vacant lot between Crip Street and Blood Street. Poor planning, that.

Yes, many choose to make no distinction btwn Soviets and Russians but they are not synonymous. The Eastern Europeans I have dealt with seem to make no distinction until, that is, they realize that I knew more than they expected me to. Then and only then did they acknowledge any distinction. They maintain a healthy dose of mistrust but at the end of the conversation they realize that their Slavic cousins had their nation ripped from them and were subjugated by brutal, Atheistic, Communism. The Bolshevik Revolution was was wholly financed and supported by Western powers. Those in the know DO make a distinction and while they may not be your loved ones or close friends they are out here. I knew many in Detroit.

Aren’t Putin and Medvedev both old FCD guys?

And my Polish neighbors absolutely despise Russians. Soviet is an interchangable term still today.

Very sad indeed:( The Polish government offered a huge amount of financial assistance to Iceland right after the collapse. There is actually going to be a “ceremony” if you will, publicly in Iceland to pray for those lost in the crash.