http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2489533/Father-heartache-police-shoot-dead-son.html
I swear the most dangerous time in a person’s life is when they are “trying to get their life back on track.”
I don’t know why this is newsworthy. 19 year old gets out of jail. 19 year old takes car. 19 year old rams police officer. 19 year old gets shot. Seems to follow in my book.
Sucks all around, but these things happen when you report your car stolen to teach your unstable teenager a lesson.
“The family says the teenager was not armed.”
Wrong. The teenager was driving a two ton weapon.
Exactly. People don’t understand that while he have not had a firearm or anything of that nature, a vehicle is an extremely deadly weapon.
And that’s why…
…you don’t steal your dad’s truck.
My department wont report a car stolen if you know the thief and they have had access to the vehicle before because of this exact reason.
The officers that run the plate don’t know its supposed to be a dad teaching his son a lesson.
Actually you are wrong. There is a legal and sensible definition for being armed and driving a car is not amongst the stated criteria.
Can a car be used as a weapon? Sure. So can a hammer or a rock, but you aren’t likely to find yourself in court as a result of carrying one. Same with driving car.
To further clarify if I possess a hammer I’m ok, however if I utilize it in a threatening way then yes I would be considered armed with a hammer. But to say this young man was armed when he was not armed but rather driving recklessly or trying to escape capture is different. Trust me I get your main point but if we start calling someone “armed” when they do not possess a commonly considered weapon and may not have been trying to hurt anyone then we begin a slide down a slippery slope.
Still if he was deliberately or recklessly endangering lives then he was dangerous and needed to be dealt with accordingly.
What a shame. Parents should be administering the discipline of their children rather than relying on the state.
Unfortunately, I see headlines of 911 being called for help and people ending up dead way too often.
Unauthorized use at best. However this stuff is the norm. Its either parents calling on their kids, husband/wife on the outs calling on one another, ect. In the end they’re all using the Po-po to “get at” the other party.
Hell I went to a house the other day because a 9yr old hit his mom…his mom called 911…Welcome to Amerika. It took every ounce of restraint I had not to chew the mom out, but I didn’t want to be the “gestapo police” everyone knows so well at M4C. So its business as usual, treat all parties like 3yr olds and tell them to play nice.
But hey, you try to use a 3,000lb vehicle as a weapon…and more importantly run me over, expect some .40cal projectiles coming your way in a hurry.
You just hit on the primary source of problems in society today. Being a good parent is tough, but ignoring parental responsibility has grave consequences.
Coupled with that is the fact that the nanny state will throw your ass in the clink for administering any type of old school consequence. Any perceived injustice that the little one blabs about to school officials and you’ll be getting a not too pleasant visit from the state officials.
I’m seeing a new trend in regard to headlines. I also see it in my area. Parents call 911, a lot of the time the child is an adult, mental, off meds, et al. and the end result is a dead “child” after they have some sort of “outburst”. Maybe some of the parents need to start packing a Tazer if they cannot control said child, they’re legal in most areas.
There does indeed seem to be a trend where parents expect their kids to be raised by the legal system or pharmacology industry. I frequently get blank stares from parents who bring little Johnny into the hospital for acting out when they are told that there is no red pill called Daddy or blue pill called Mamma.
A 19-year-old has been shot dead by police after his father dialed 911 to report his truck stolen in order to teach his son a lesson for driving off to buy cigarettes.
You sure showed him, Pop.
The rest of us know, don’t invite the man into your life.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd3_1383861373
Some dash cam vid. Kid straight blew through a red light at a busy intersection miraculously not hitting anyone. Pursuit is actually pretty short.
The problem is, nobody wants to discipline kids today. Nobody can be tough on kids because they’re afraid if they don’t get arrested, the kid will at least write a book about them someday. I’ll tell you something, spanking worked wonders on me. Both Mom and Dad did it. I loved my parents, they were loving and nurturing, but they had an absolute zero tolerance for disrespect to them or any adult. I thought they were being unfair? Open my trap again and find out just how “unfair” they can be. I’m in a bad mood and taking it out on them? Not an excuse; they couldn’t give less of a crap why I was being bad, it’s still not an excuse to be bad. I was terrified of making them angry…I still am. They were always fair, they always listened, and they expected a lot from us. I always stayed out of trouble because of that.
I had a job at a residential treatment center for kids with behavior problems (horrible job with some of the coldest, unhelpful co-workers and bosses ever…but I digress) Most kids came from broken homes and abusive parents. But they were violent and dangerous and the strictest discipline we could give them was making them go to bed early or telling them they couldn’t ride the scooters or skateboards…for one 8 hour shift. Yeah, if they acted up, we put them into holds, but if it got to that point, we then had to explain to our supervisors how our failure to control the situation led to the kid getting dangerous. Everything was about being nurturing and making the kids feel loved and safe, but the truth is, a healthy dose of fear is needed to keep people in line. I don’t care how horrifying your situation is, you can still respond positively to appropriate threats of force. We wouldn’t have had half the holds we did if we could have smacked a few kids for back talking.
Exactly. The State is not your friend. Once you involve the police in your domestic issues you do not control how events may unfold. You become an observer. Lousy way to parent. Man up and do your job, Pop.
From what I can see, the Officer didn’t have any choice. The kid rammed him with the trailer the first time, then rammed him again with the truck as he was getting out of his cruiser - while a 2 ton vehicle in and of itself doesn’t constitute “being armed”, repeatedly using it in a manner that can harm officers makes it one. If I was that officer, I don’t think there’s a single thing I would’ve done differently.
While I totally agree with you, this so called kid was 19 and many fathers are not able to fight their sons. Hell, I had two major hip surgeries by 47 including a total hip replacement that didn’t heal at all and must have a second total hip replacement to even walk. What other option does a person have in this situation where your vehicle is driven away without your permission? Anyone who takes my vehicle will be facing the law and hopefully dealt with harshly.
Plan: Teach a lesson.
Goal: Prevent further transgressions against principals taught by lesson.
Result: 100% success.
Interesting video, thanks. To me it’s a risk VS reward type of thing. They know who took the vehicle, it’s insured, so why jeopardize the lives of innocents in a car chase when it’s really not necessary? At 2:58 in “I’m sure we know the suspect; so, we can probably back it off.”