I read alot about PMAGS, they seem to be the greatest thing since sliced bread based on the online reviews.
However, if you go back far enough, you will see the exact same language used for the HK āHigh Reliability Magazinesā. Magazines which are now held in very low esteem.
Back in the day, everyone had to have HK mags, famous trainers endorsed them, SMEās went on and on about their reliability.
I see similar underpinnings with the PMAGS.
Famous trainers hand them out as swag, training cliques vociferously defend/advocate them.
Is the PMAG reputation honestly earned or a result of Guerilla Marketing and paid product endorsements with the resultant herd mentality? Will it be the next HK mag?
I own alot of PMAGS (102 at my last count) so I am not a hater but I have been around long enough to see the HK bubble and I am old enough to remember Orlites and Thermolds.
I am just wondering about selling off my new in the wrap PMAGS and buying a few more plain old NHMTG mags and watching for the next bubble.
Cant comment on the bubble thing but they are at least as reliable as the old quality (Okay, Labelle etc.) aluminum mags. Little less prone to bending being plastic and all. HK mags are still fine as well, cept being heavy like they always were, and expensive, like they always were.
By all means sell them. Iāll give you 8.99 a piece for them. Iāll keep my PMAGās because they work. I didnāt just start buying them because some Ćber cool guy with a beard said they were good. I bought some and tried them out.
While everyone had to have them, very few actually had HK mags (for whatever reasonā¦most likely cost and availability). Contrast that with the large numbers of PMAGs that have been on the market for <How many years has it been???>, including substantial numbers in harmās way.
Could there still be a weakness with PMAGs? I supposeā¦however I believe that MP has had the benefit of numbersā¦much larger numbers than HK, which (in addition to a nice stash of USGI mags with upgraded springs and MP followers) gives me a warm fuzzy.
Marketing, endorsement and conjecture asideā¦magazines (regardless of manufacturer or material) will inevitably fail.
For most it comes down to simple economics. I took a lot of convincing for me to try the Pmag. I kept having flashbacks to 2 Thermold mags that came free with a rifle I bought long ago and said āno fān way.ā I have quite a few now, and recommended them to my dept. I still prefer a GI body w/ Wolff spring, and Magpul follower & base plate. I wouldnāt break my neck trying to āclean outā my supply of mags to be on the ācutting edgeā. I did that 5 years ago and had mostly HK magsā¦and look where that got me.
It really all boils down to you knowing your gear and its limits. Run what you got and adjust accordingly
Bottom line is they are just another magazine which is a disposable item like a brake pad on a car.
Take your pick either PMAG or a quality aluminum eventually they are going fail you. I had a PMAG fail me last week and Iāve had aluminum mags fail in the past.
When did the HK mag come out? How long did it take for those SMEās that initially supported it to reverse themselves? I know LAV and Pat Rogers initially had positive things to say when the mags first came out, but eventually withdrew that recommendation after the mags had been in service for a while and issues started to surface. I donāt think it was more than a few years between when the HK mags were released and when people started to turn away from them.
The Pmags have been through those teething problems, and continue to be one of the best mags you can get. I remember when they were first released, people were very skeptical. Most everyone thought it was going to be Thermolds all over again. But theyāve proven themselves over and over again.
I think if the Pmag was going to fall by the way side like the HK, it would have happened years ago.
Canāt use Pmagās anymore, so Iām using brownellās with magpul followers. Might get some Emagās tho. (my personal weapon is a SCAR16s and my issue weapon is an FN manufactured M16 rev-amped into an M4, magazine well is too tight for Pmagās sadly. :cray:
I got a FDE pmag that was made in Oct. of 07. I bought it right before christmas that same year, and labeled it # 10. It has since, been through Tactical Responceās fighting rifle course 3 times, advanced fighting rifle 1 time, and their high risk civilian contractor course twice. On top of that, my regular training crew meets probably 5 times a year, and its been to damn near all of those 1 and 2 day range sessions. I have no ideal how many rounds has been through that particular magazine, but its a lot. I dont keep the mag loaded, ever, just when I go out to the range, and it still works perfectly. I have a weekend planned in April, 2 days with my regular crew, and I will probably shoot over 1K rounds. I will take # 10 for sure.
I cant say that all pmags are like this one, but this one has been absolutely perfect.
I have several Brownells aluminum mags w/ CS springs and MP Gen III followers that have served me very well. I also have many PMAGS that work perfectly. Lancers have also been good to me.
As has been said, mags are disposable. If one malfs repeatedly, I trash it. Thatās why I donāt do any ābeauty workā on my PMAGSā¦I donāt wanna get partial to something that just needs to be thrown away when it goes bad.
Magazines are consumable (read, disposable) items. They are made to last a short time, then be discarded when they fail. That said, paying 40 plus dollars for an HK mag is beyond idiotic compared to PMags, which can be found for less than 12 bucks a piece if you shop around.
Language is what it is; genuinely meant or not, it can still be wrong.
It took all of about 2yrs for the HK mags true nature to come shining through, with one substantive revision. Pmags, on the other hand, have had active revisions made to their line over 5+yrs; they started good and have only gotten better with each, and without the āGFY!ā European CS model whenever problems DO crop up.
Seeing the same language is exactly thatā¦seeing the same language. Separate the substance from the symbolism, the picture changes somewhat. That said, as it keeps coming up over and over again, mags are a disposable item; getting attached to ANY of them is akin to thinking āwow, that stripper really DIGS ME!ā
Do you shoot? If so, go take a few out of the wrappers and use them. Form an opinion for yourself. The rest of us already have based on use, not on what we read on the internet.
Your comment doesnāt particular stir anyone up, unlike other boards, most people here donāt care what an anonymous person on the internet thinks. You seem to be hoping for something.
If you read the fine print on page 50281 in Obamacare, you will find that 102 PMAGS is a major health risk. I can help you. Iāll send you a box that you can put them in and you can pay to ship them, along with a check for $1102 in disposal fees, to me. You can trust me, Iām not a doctor but I play one on TV :alcoholic:
If you believe this, then PMAGS really are garbage and Magpulās customer service isnāt world class.:rolleyes:
I actually went back to the Colt USGI mags almost a year ago. I am running them with Magpul followers and Ranger plates. I prefer the way that they draw from pouches and how they drop from rifles. Small thing but it is my preference.
The original post seems to be link-baiting at best and trolling at worst. Post something deliberately inflammatory and word it in a way to draw comments. Sounds like trolling to me.
