Friend wants a C More. I am recommending he get an ML-3 Aimpoint.
He is using this internet blurb to justify the C More and talk down the Aimpoint.
I want the M4 Clan to weigh in on these choices, particularly those who have spent time in-theatre.
http://community.livejournal.com/guns/1874597.html
Our supporting team from 5th Special Forces Group actually turned in their Aimpoints and went back to aluminum bodied C-Mores because of their durability, lower profile and faster target acquisition. The Aimpoints were just snagging and breaking too damn much, and they had no real advantages over the C-More.
Anyone here have that “Excuse me, I am calling Bullshit!” poster?
Don’t let your friend see the Vulcan Arms ad as they make the claim of being “The guns of Special Forces” or some such hokum.
Also, group can and does run whatever the heck it wants on top of their carbines–I doubt very highly that they would run C-More sights and in mass like the "article suggests.
Now, having said that–let him go and buy whatever floats his boat. The C-More may fit in with his intended use of the carbine or it may not. He has the same ability to use this and other forums just like you and if he still won’t see the light then nothing will make him and you may as well let him go on his merry way with the hope that will see that light someday and become an Aimpoint fan in the future.
I call bullshit. I am not in Group, but this does not wash.
Why the would anyone that gets NV compatable EoTechs (if they don’t like the CCO) go with a more fragle, less precise, no faster optic. Does not compute. I have had no more issue with optics snagging than all the other stupid crap I have stuck to me.
Even if it is true, which I highly doubt, just because a few dudes in group do it does not mean that it is a good idea. Everybody makes a bad call every now and then, and this would definately be one of those.
The C-more was great when it was one of two answers for open pistol. If he just wants to go blast cans and UBL targets, it will probably do just fine. My advice- keep 'em off fighting guns.
I’ll weigh in as a pro C-More for casual use civilians. I have one on a AR and it is my favorite of my red dots, but I do not own any high dollar optics other than the one C-More Tacticle. I will say I think the C-More looks about the best on a AR, the others are like a wart sticking out of your nose… something that does not fit the shape and look. The C-More, once installed… you do not see where the gun stops and the sight starts… it is a beautifull fusion of the 2 parts.
Is the C-More battle ready? I don’t know. Battle what? Paper targets on your farm…? There are applications that the C-More will work just fine and there are applications where a $100 Millet red dot will work just fine… but there are limitations to the proper application of most all of your tools.
Your pal is looking at dropping $400 on a C-More, so for similar money he has a few other very attractive options…this is not a case of limited income stopping him from getting a EoTech or AimPoint. If he is most happy with the idea of a C-More, don’t get all teary-eyed over it, leave him to make himself happy. If he will at least hear your suggestion, research those other options and weigh the advantages…he will most likely opt to spend similar cash and get the 6 year battery life. That point right there is the killer feature to me. If I forget to turn off my C-More, by next weekend I have completely killed the battery… and that is only at setting 5 of 10. If you run setting 9 (brightness) it will likely kill the battery in under 48 hours, maybe under 24 hours? Point that out to him.
I have a Millet (Millit?) SP-1 red dot I paid $90 for, and honestly for paper targets it works just fine. Would I send my child over seas to live and die by my $90 SP-1… no. I would honestly look into the higher end tools for that job. I simply do not require a bunch of high dollar optical aids on my farm rifles.
So consider his use… LEO, SWAT, Soldier, ground hog smasher, paper plate destroyer, gun safe stuffer (investment purchases)… and from there you can start to decide if a $400-$700 optical aid is a worthy investment or not.
Larry
Believe it or not, a buddy in 3rd Group ran one for 6+ deployments in the box. He absolutely loved it and swore by it. But, I doubt they are being officially used by any of the groups. An individual ODA may be using them simply because one team member had a contact and got the team outfitted with them for free, but most ODAs are using aimpoints and eotechs.
And, just because SOCOM, SEALS, and ODA, or whomever else is using something doesn’t make it good or bad for that matter. Most SOF use whatever is given to them, and really couldn’t care less as long as it meets their needs.
I have also seen some of the local LE agencies with them on their patrol rifles and cringed. They get packaged in these deals that are evaluated by people who are not from the M4 world generally. I was going to say something to the Chief who is a friend, but he was beaming with pride that he was able to outfit all his guys.
I spoke to one department Range Master who took their department to DPMS based on price and widgets (in this case EOTech) included in the package deal.
Another SO in the same state is using surplus M-16A1’s from Vietnam era. They were referb’d and fitted with Trijicon Reflex sights.
Their quals are not usually a high round count (as compared to a good carbine operators class) nor abusive. I suspect the improvements will be made with time and lessons learned.
Best thing is lead your friend to a quality training course and then help him get pics of the sight afterwards so he can sell it in the Internet.