Planned Parenthood provides intact fetuses (i.e., children) to research companies

General General Discussion
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The murder of children is BIG business in the US.

Although the lake of fire awaits all of those complicit in the murder of this nation’s children, federal felony indictments of those responsible would be icing on the cake.

In the video, actors posing as representatives from a human biologics company meet with Farrell at the abortion-clinic headquarters of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast in Houston to discuss a potential partnership to harvest fetal organs.

“Where we probably have an edge over other organizations, our organization has been doing research for many many years,” explains Farrell. When researchers need a specific part from the aborted fetus, Farrell says, “We bake that into our contract, and our protocol, that we follow this, so we deviate from our standard in order to do that.”

Asked specifically if this means Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast can change abortion procedures to supply intact fetal specimens, Farrell affirms, “Some of our doctors in the past have projects and they’re collecting the specimens, so they do it in a way that they get the best specimens, so I know it can happen.“

The investigators ask Farrell how she will frame a contract in which they pay a higher price for higher quality fetal body parts, and she replies, “We can work it out in the context of–obviously, the procedure itself is more complicated,” suggesting that “without having you cover the procedural cost” and paying for the abortion, the higher specimen price could be framed as “additional time, cost, administrative burden.”

Farrell finally summarizes her affiliate’s approach to fetal tissue payments: “If we alter our process, and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, we can make it part of the budget that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this. It’s all just a matter of line items.”

The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison or a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). Federal law also requires that no alteration in the timing or method of abortion be done for the purposes of fetal tissue collection (42 U.S.C. 289g-1).

http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/2015/08/698/

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Our govt has NO business funding any part of this organization.

De-fund it…now.

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Moloch could not be reached for comment.

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I don’t have an issue with someone donating their body to science, that’s all good and well.
If this was my potential child in the womb of a Woman who chose to abort and gave permission for this, I think I might have a hell of an issue with it, especially if I told her I would raise the child on my own.

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You know it’s a hoax…right?

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yes planned parent hood is a hoax big time ! look at the history and who started it and its purpose

if you mean the videos ? ummmm sorry you can say what you want but they are on video saying what they said and in some of them doing and saying over parts etc…

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Explain. Explain the hoax between 13:00 and 14:00 minutes of that video.

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Considering the group putting these videos out has ties to known fraudster James O’Keefe I would be very leery of anything in them. Every claim of them “selling body parts” has been debunked, but of course that doesn’t fit the agenda, so it is ignored. Here in Indiana Governor Pence immediately had an investigation started. The investigators came back and said that there was nothing illegal or concerning going on.

I hate Abortion. I feel it should only be legal in cases of Rape, incest, health of the mother being in danger, etc. That does not mean I hate Planned parenthood. Abortion is an extremely small portion of their services. Hell, they don’t even provide the majority of abortions in this country. Most of those are done at full hospitals. Defunding Planned parenthood is the our equivalent of stronger background checks and 10 round magazines. Ignorant and not addressing the real issue at all.

The other services they provide ranging from health screenings to contraceptives are invaluable, especially in low income areas. Here in Indiana they closed most of the Planned parenthood clinics after Pence was elected. This was followed quickly by an increase in Sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies. None of the clinics closed performed abortions or offered any abortion related services.

The simple fact is that people claim they are pro life. But what they really mean is that they are anti abortion. If you are pro life then you provide the other services needed. Pregnancy counseling, medical treatment for pregnant women. Care for new mothers… Guess who provides a lot of these services? You guessed it. Planned Parenthood.

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Its preposterous to claim that defunding an organization that brutally murders children is to 2A proponents the equivalence of additional gun control laws. Planned Parenthood (PP) performs about 330,000 abortions/year, which amounts to roughly 30 percent of the yearly abortions performed in the U.S. PP is a business whose profits are greatly affected by the promiscuity of teens and young adults, especially among minorities. PP is in the business of murder, and is greatly responsible for the moral decline of America.

If you truly hate abortion, do realize that abortions are almost NEVER medically necessary to save the life of the pregnant mother. In instances of rape or incest, foster care or adoption is ALWAYS available.

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The views of some of the members of this site are so, different, we should as much as it pains me to say, let it go. I don’t, can’t, and won’t ever understand why, but it is so. We, as a group (members of a forum), should stick to talking about shooting, tactics, and gear. I will say that I am surprised by the views of some, but no one can change my views so I should not expect to change the views of anyone else. This topic is so much different than any other debate out there or here, that we should leave it alone or stand to draw some serious lines. JMHO

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I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if this whole episode was planned and orchestrated by Hillary Clinton to make Republicans look stupid.

Remember- she only has to beat her opponent, and rather than beat him or her on the battlefield of ideas, it’s much easier to keep pulling the string to get an idiotic soundbite on certain issues.

Planned Parenthood is obviously not selling fetal tissue, and the title of this thread reads like “Magpul sells buttstocks (i.e., machine guns) over the internet with no background check!”

Be prepared for anger if you shed the light of truth on what these people have been told by their fraud machine… they don’t want to hear facts… just oh-so-much emotion…

In fact, the money being discussed is for handling, and IMO is pretty low compared to shipping ITAR/ other sensitive stuff:

Fraudster: OK, so, when you are—or when the affiliate is—determining what that monetary… So that it doesn’t raise the question of… ‘This is what it’s about…’—What price range would you…?”

PP: You know, I would throw a number out, I would say it’s probably anywhere from $30 to $100, depending on the facility and what’s involved. It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there that’s going to be doing everything… is there shipping involved? Is someone going to be there to pick it up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4UjIM9B9KQ

Exactamundo.

Abortions represent only 3% of total services, and are not federally funded… that would be against the Hyde Amendment.

The other 97% of services were for contraception, treatment and tests for sexually transmitted diseases, cancer screenings, and other women’s health services.

BOOM. World shattered. Minds destroyed.

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The 3% figure is PP’s attempt to obscure the fact that they perform approx. 30% of all abortions in the U.S. Let PP continue offering their other health services, without killing children. Plenty of health providers manage to do it.

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Yep, PP is serious about women’s health and cancer screening. Yet not a single one of their clinics can do a mammogram.

Yet the 10-20x as many community health centers that do not offer abortion do.

You can say its a hoax, yet PP has admitted their reps said those things, and rebuked own people.

The only thing they did defend is that they do not sell them for a profit. But admitted they do sell them. And are now on video admitting they alter procedures to allow them to sell, which is and has been against federal law.

Saying its a hoax just shows how misinformed people are.

This is not a debate about Roe v. Wade. There is no defense for PP’s practice of selling body parts.

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This is great advice. This website is M4Carbine.net. It’s not PolySci.net, or FuriousDebate.com.

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So what percentage of PP’s budget goes towards the 3% vs “97% other services”?

Likewise, If no fed money goes toward PP abortions, then why would PP care about the defunding bills? Given it does not impact anything but funding for abortion?

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Let’s ask ACORN about how fraudulent O’Keefe is.

Progressives have gotten so used to getting their way and controlling the narrative that they have gone tone deaf to anything but their own twisted thinking and what stands for logic today.

Saying that PP does good things is like saying we should give Hitler a pass because he made good roads and the trains run on time- or that torturing Jews and gypsies gave us valuable medical insights so that was OK.

These vegan, anti-death penalty progresives that want to kill unborn children completely riddle me.

Go ahead, drink the PP kool-aide. I just suggest the blue, not the red versions…

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Hey look, somebody aborted the mass of cells formally known as KEV! :slight_smile:

(Sorry couldn’t help it)

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Sorry, had posted my last response in parallel with your guidance

So noted, and I agree

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It is interesting to map out the belief and value systems of different members- and how it isn’t a linear relationship.

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We are all conservatives as far as I have seen. But we are all over the map on that side of things. From Fundamentalist to libertarian. I find it interesting as well. But in the end I can’t think of a single member I would not buy a beer if we were all out at a bar one night.