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Now thats grasping for straws.
Nope. I don’t have a horse in that race.
Just an honest question.
ETA: Nevermind. I just went back and read where the OP said the weight difference is approx 12 ounces and some change.
That would mean that you would have to go from carrying one 12 oz bottle of CLP, to carrying no bottles of CLP, and at that point, I wouldn’t calling it “grasping for straws” but “asking for trouble”.
well considering pistons still require lubrication getting rid of lube for either would be “asking for trouble”. Unless you mount your lube to your rifle it has nothing to do with rifle weight.
I am unqualified to debate the merits of some of the rifles mentioned here, but I would like to comment on the DI and piston weight issue.
All else being equal, I would not carry even 1oz. more for a piston gun, especially considering where that extra weight is distributed. Again, all else being equal, there is simply no statistically significant benefit over DI.
The most interesting thing about the notorious Extreme Dust Test III (sorry, I have to do this) is hidden within the data itself. People skipped over the whole data portion and went straight to the results; in fact the military’s conclusions are even interesting, but were also ignored. The data shows that after a lubricating and “wiping down” the weapons, during the next course of fire, malfunctions on all weapons returned to virtually zero. the M4 got progressively worst after each round before the next lube or clean phase, but was not significantly worse than the other guns until the later rounds.
Now to explain why the additional weight bothers me. My four day, 60 mile trek on the Appalachian trail over the tallest peaks with my brother and a 55lb. ruck was painful as hell. I was ineligible for military service so this is the most strenuous and lengthy journey memory can muster. During the worst climbs, I didn’t see the star on my brothers jump wings, or his Ranger tab carrying any of that weight for him. Those ounces add up and then they break you down… I would have loved to take five to lube and wipe down my rifle, especially if it meant even 1oz. of a difference in the load.
That’s just my experience, and it certainly isn’t analogous to the job our soldiers do, but it is my experience that unnecessary weight is just that. Incidentally, we were doing the hike wrong… too much weight!
To all of you who serve, I hope you make it home safe… and if you see my brother, please take it easy on him 
EDIT: clarification.
Then why post?
And is it just me or does laying out a brothers achievments in some strange attempt to validate your own unqualified opinions, appear a bit unseemingly?
I think i’ll listen to the guy who has actually taken one to war.
I want to jump in here for a second and clarify things for some people; if there were no benefits whatsoever for a piston gun vs a DI gun then Tier One units in our military would not be using them
They are hands down a better option in an SBR format which is preferred in CQB environments
Best bet is to review my 4 criteria for piston vs DI use posted in my SME forum
In addition remain objective on the topic; no one here or on any forum has more personal attachment to piston AR’s than I do yet I remain objective and level headed on the topic; calling things the way I see them - why would anyone here act any differently?
Larry Vickers
Your ability to engage in civil discourse strikes me as sub-juvenile. Seriously, did you even understand my post?
Instead of junking up the thread, just PM me with all of your inflammatory crap.
I think that this is a great way to end this thread.
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