I need to buy a scope mount. Sure, I’d like to eliminate any gouging of my upper by the mount, but I’m not sure if I want to buy ADM. Could I get some pictures of this so called gouging, or is it that burnishing, caused by LT mounts? The way some describe it, you’d think it would remove half the width of the rail with every closure of the levers, and others say it is only a slight polishing where it contacts. I’d like to see pictures of what is really happening. I’m hoping that it is something that I can live with, because it sounds like the LT mounts are top notch.
Accurate, high res, pictures from different angles would be appreciated. Thanks.
The VERY SMALL amount of of anodizing, if any at all, that is removed from using larue mount is MINISCULE in comparison to the piece of mind you will have knowing your shit isn’t ******* **.
Key word to remember is anodizing, it is not “gouging” the rail.
Dont worry about it, you might have opened up a can of worms with your post, but the $20 you save with ADM (unproven system) is not worth it as of now.
ETA: if you are still worried about…take your rifle and scratch it with a screw driving right down the top and bottom of your receivers…then you will not have anything to worry about…Its a tool…nothing more nothing less.
Why don’t you just take your brand new vehicle and dent the door with a hammer, then you won’t be afraid to drive it down the road. Give me a break.
I’ve never seen a LT mount in person, so I’m not able to see what happens to the rail when the levers are tightened. If I knew somebody local, I wouldn’t have created this thread. As long as people can just follow the request of the original thread, then there will be no creation of worm cans. I am asking for pictures, not opinions.
I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but my goal is not to start a worm can. I am asking for pictures so I can see the marks myself. Like I said, I don’t know anybody who has any LT mounts. You’re very opinions are what gets people all heated up about this whole ADM vs. LT thing. Let’s keep this thread civil and let’s see some pictures, so idiots like myself can see for ourselves whether an LT mount will be a problem for our rifles, whether they be tools, safe queens, whatever.
The LaRue mounts do knock off a TINY bit of anodizing off the receiver. It’s not even anything to lose sleep over. People are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Here’s close up pics of my 3gun rifle, where I use a LaRue SPR-E mount.
The website is about training with rifles. You train/go to classes/shoot regularly, you will scratch your rifle. Be it rubbing up against another rifle, other gear, ammo, the groud, the bench, etc. Be it accident, be it someone else, be it on purpose.
Get over it, get it done early, and act accordingly.
I can remember vividly when I first started shooting how many times my range experience was foiled by trying to cut corners and save a buck.
What I stated, as gotm4 as also displayed, isn’t merely just my opinion. If it does remove anything, its “smears” the anodizing, that is it.
If having a small smear is a “problem” for “your” rifles, you should never take them out, and keep them in the safe. Only looking at them once every weekend with gloves on, preserving the original factory oil. Heaven forbid what the other people would say :rolleyes:
I move lasers, ACOGs, weaponlights, and so forth around or on and off on my rifles because, well because it’s fun, and also because they are often day/night platforms.
Never had a problem with a LaRue Tactical mount or a rail doing this.
Rails are fine, mounts are fine, the rifle shoots to zero, what more could you want.
I will tell you how I install a LT mount. I first get the lever about finger tight (meaning my fingers turn color as I am having to apply enough pressure to open or close the lever). Once the levers are closed, I grab the mount and do a “push/pull” to see if it moves. If it does move, I tighten down the lever some more until their is no more shift. After it stops moving, I open and close the lever about 10 times to “seat it” into the rail. I then do another push/pull to check for movement and adjust the lever accordingly.
I have noticed that on mounts that get taken on an off a lot, I have to re-tighten the lever as it creates a deeper and deeper “pocket” that the lever sits in.
The reason I am telling you all this is because I believe that in order to get a LT lever to PROPERLY repeat and retain zero, you have to create a “pocket” for the lever to sit in. If this bothers you and or you view this as damaging the rail, then I would suggest that you do not buy a LT mount.
My method with the Larue mounts, almost exactly mimicks Grant’s.
And, I have to comment… please no jack-ass (insert favorite company) campery here.
As this forum slants more toward actual users v. gunsafe mastabatory delusionist…
Larue, ADM, Colt, LMT, HK, Bushmaster, etc. All of these are simply tools which spit, or attach to devices which spit hot pieces O metal, all wear out. Some muchfaster than others. All uppers are disposable; 5-50K depending on make. Red dot sights wear out too. All these chunks O metal are simply functionable tools.
My buddy who is a BMW mechanic, and so buys all his own tools, has SnapOn & a bunch of other stupid expensive German Brands I don’t know. Simply, a broken tool is time lost, and possibly an injury if they break at the wrong time. In his business time is $$ = billable hours. If your not a high end user, and alot doesn’t count on it, buy sears tools… who cares.
Oh my…, my brass burnished the bump on the Right side of my reciever, what to do. The park is wearing off my bolt group? buffer is scratched? etc. ad nausem.
So thats what that crunching noise is as I beat the throw lever down with my Gerber, the anodizing wearing off my upper. The thought of damaging the upper actually never crossed my mind. The most important thing to me is knowing the scope is staying where I put it and its not coming off until i want it to.
I have a Knights aimpoint mount that leaves a mark on receiver where the plate thing clamps the rail. Its a similar clamping method as the ADM mount sans the throw lever. I’ll see if I can get some pictures of it.
Judas freakin’ Priest people!!! No crap that guns are tools. When I used to deer hunt, I can’t tell you how many times I’d nick the stock against rocks and other objects much harder than wood. This isn’t about that. I wanted pictures, not tool sermons.
Thank you Grant for your advice on the tightening of the mount. That helps a lot.
Oh, and Derek, yeah, it was me that created a can of worms. Whatever man. Do you just like to argue or something? What don’t you understand when I say that I have never seen a LT mount in person, nor do I know anybody with one? This is why I want pictures of the marks caused by the levers of a LT mount. SO I CAN MAKE THE DECISION MYSELF BASED ON A PICTURE, NOT YOUR TOOL SERMON. Geez already!!
To Summarize, here we are at this particular impass:
You want to make the decision with the following stipulations
1.) You want to know how much if at all, the larue mounts “burnish” the upper receivers for your own “personal reasons”
Definition of burnishing:
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This bur·nish (bûr’nĭsh) Pronunciation Key
tr.v. bur·nished, bur·nish·ing, bur·nish·es
To make smooth or glossy by or as if by rubbing; polish.
To rub with a tool that serves especially to smooth or polish.
2.) You portray your decision as important because you are not willing to accept the RISK to"burnish" aka “make smooth or glossy” your upper receiver, aka, the metal home where your BCG sits.
Against the facts that this MINOR risk, affects the function of your rifle or tool to NO extent, and that this risk has somehow taken priority over the fact that the larue mount is a battle proven optic mount that will keep your optics returned to zero if and WHEN you ever take them off inbetween your trips to the bench and the safe in your house.
Are we on the same page?
If this comes across as harsh, cold, irritating, well…sorry.
But in a sick twisted way, the attitude I and some others may portray might help you get over this HUMP and accept the fact that this insignificant RISK of possibly shining your pic. rails on your upper receiver is in fact %200 WORTH IT, due to the heart ache and bullshit you would put yourself in trying to zero your $300 aimpoint, $2000 short dot, your $2500 USO (whatever) with a mount that is not yet proven to work. Whether or not this mount fails on the range in front of friends and sends you home butt hurt, whether or not this mount fails in a competition and you lose, whether or not this mount fails and gets you killed, or gets your buddy killed, ANY side of the spectrum, why not avoid going through any of that and listen to the people who have been at this particular decision and went the correct route?
Derek- I know you got all fired up about this elsewhere but you really are seeming (even to me) to be getting a little out of hand.
Your weapons are tools because you kill with them.
To some other people, we don’t get out as often and a lot more time is spent admiring them. And, some of us have fewer to look at and would like to take care of them.
He just wants to know what this “blemishing” is- that’s all.
It was an honest question and it was turned into a fight and now the guy has to defend himself.
