Well, it looks like another of America’s institutions is airing its dirty laundry: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121019-release-of-boy-scouts-confidential-perversion-files-met-with-overwhelming-public-interest.ece
Now, I’m not so naive to think that pedophilia is a new problem in America. However, I’m speaking to the institutionalization of child rape in our bedrock organizations. Historically, it is bad for countries when pedophilia starts to become mainstream.
I tend to agree.
The Catholic Church, the BSA, countless schools and universities (Penn State), prominent ministers of various “mega churches” , Hollywood, the Franklin cover up, NAMBLA, et al.
I am wondering why you think it is becoming institutionalized (more so than say 100 years ago) and that it is becoming mainstream.
I think the disgust and outrage amongst the public today is as great as it ever would have been (in the past, these things did not become public). And don’t kid yourself that this sort of abuse is a new phenomenon amongst so-called “public” organizations, whether “scouts”, churches, orphanages, etc. We just are more able to publicize and communicate about it. In the past, the local community took care of the offenders, if found out, and swept it under the rug. Today we have the internet which makes every little event anywhere news around the world.
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It is not just more awareness due to media that I notice. The sexualization of America’s youth has become pervasive. Look at how kids dress, the commercials, etc. We now have organizations such as NAMBLA that operate in the open with impunity. We also have judges handing down soft sentences for child rape, and politicians who oppose measures such as Jessica’s Law to punish pedophiles.
Katy Couric show either yesterday or day before.
she had this lady author on. She wrote a book about “swinging” … well by the time the story was told she was seduced by a married lady at a party… oh, yeah… while “researching” her book… she was amazed at how many people online wanted to talk about sex…:rolleyes:
anyway… the husband/wife team that had sex with her at the party were there “in disguise”… because “no one knows” … and certainly they won’t be recognized on national TV.
So anyway the guy says… oh yeah we just don’t want our church members, friends, scouts, etc… to know… When he said “Scouts” I just thought …man, there’s an accident waiting to happen and he’s advertising it!
It’s pretty easy to see why Katie C. career has steadily gone down the tubes. I think she was truly interested in and believed the BS they were feeding her.
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WTF does swinging have to do with pedophilia?
He did mention “scouts” so there is a sort-of tie-in.
I would say the general sexual permissiveness as normal, accepted behavior plays to the same roots as the things Sensei mentioned.
WTF does swinging have to do with pedophilia?
Well, I probably did not make the point well.
The gist of the whole thing was this straight laced lady finds herself in the “Swinging sex scene” “quite by accident” – which I don’t believe for an instant.
So suddenly she’s in NY having sex with a couple just because the woman told her she was beautiful. Again, I think that is BS. You just don;t find yourself having sex in front a group of onlookers with people you don’t know just because someone told you you were pretty.
Then you switch to the goofy ass wig and beard “disguise” the guy was wearing on national TV. He didn’t have to mention the Scouts and it has nothing to do with their whole adult sexual choices. But he chose to do so.
I believe he and his wife were simply advertising while simply pretending to be protecting and loving of those around them. I could care less what they do as adults, but I damn sure wouldn’t let my kids near them ( if I had kids ) where they were the authority figures.
IOW… the whole segment just seemed like a giant farce to me and yes, I believe that with him needing a disguise, open to sexual experimentation with multiple mixed partners, etc, could very well carry over into his Scout activities. The whole fact that they need to hide what they are doing.
So the two don’t necessarily have anything to do with each other. You are correct about that but the way they all presented themselves on the show made me suspicious of their other motives.
Bingo! 
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I’m not one to wear the tinfoil hat, but I sometimes wonder about the proliferation of pedophilia in the news.
I don’t doubt the veracity of the news reports though I do wonder if they are sensationalized in a manner to discourage people from volunteering to help youth in their community. The fewer positive personal roll models a child has growing up, the more likely they are to depend on an alternative authority figure in a time of need, such as government.
So I guess I am saying that the leftists could be using these incidents as a tool to break down bonds that hold communities together and get them to rely on government instead of each other.
I made it to Eagle in scouts and would like to help out a local troop, however such reports make me leary of even getting involved because it is so easy to cry wolf when there is none. If I did get involved with today’s society I feel like I would have undertake inordinate measures to CYA.
None of this is said to discount how despicable and deplorable such acts are. However it wouldn’t surprise me if innocent people got smeared in a witch hunt.
I’ve become very sensitive to this issue since the birth of my son 9 months ago. I’ve completely rearranged my work schedule (and career) so that I can be home with him 3 weekdays. I plan to saturate his early life with my presence and values. I’ve also committed to installing a warrior skill set and attitude at an early ago. So, he is already my training buddy and accompanies me to the gym for BJJ / Muay Thai classes. He will start his firearms training as soon as he is physically and emotionally mature enough to handle weapons. Basically, I want him to be a far more dangerous adversary than any child predator.
If you attend a church, and that church or congregation/temple/mosque/whatever sponsors a troop, volunteer there. And then make sure they do everything in team style. All leaders work in teams so that no leader is alone with a boy. It is as much for your protection as for the protection of the boys.
There is a two-man rule in place in Scouting. Period. It is not open for debate. There are a strict set of guidelines and some required training to be considered a scout volunteer. There is a WHOLE lot more involved to be any kind of leader. If you ever encounter a troop that does not abide by the rules - please contact the local council and inform them.
I love scouting and I am passionate about the safety of my kids. Not to say that I don’t let them be kids, but there is a line.
Being a pedophile is illegal.
Being a swinger is not.
Jumping to conclusions is the only way to connect the 2.
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This is not a pedophile nation and no offense to the op but this thread is just about the last title we need being displayed in the new post section repeatedly. Yes, I know I am bumping it…
There is nothing worse than being publicly labeled as a child molester in this country, so implying that a degree of social acceptance is taking place is simply false.
and you have proof it is not ?
while its not a HUGE % its still way bigger it seems than just a few folks doing this ! and many are OK with it or so it seems
considering I dont think having my 14 year old boy doing things with his 30 year old teacher lucky !! swap the roles most would not think that !
maybe its boys who have a fantasy and no children think its OK that happens to a 14 year old boy ? kinda proof that it is OK or acceptable to be a pedophile under certain circumstances !
look at recent court cases proof enough its becoming less than taboo
sadly talking to someone who is a state prosecutor makes me realize just how many sickos their are around ! and as he said its sadly most never get caught ! when they do you realize how many work together to do what they do !
I still say these judges that let these people go so easy are molesters themselves !!!
even some liberal folks I know would not think its OK to let these kinda stuff happen in society !!!
I’ve never seen so many exclamation points in one post in my life.
Are you actually implying that I am indirectly supporting such things? My mother is socially brain damaged due to sexual abuse by her father and when it was discosed decades later he died a hated man. He was a vet with the 6th marines and invaded Okinawa and Iwo, yet I never let him cross my mind.
And for Christ’s sake deal with your grammar issue. Small children do better every day in school, so can you.
Edit: When posting from a phone watch out that you don’t accidentally post a face icon if your finger wanders off the screen a bit. Got me a few times now.
Good to know. I am not involved in scouting at the moment and I knew our local units practiced the two-man rule, but I did not know it was BSA wide.
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I would say that we are becoming a pedophile nation. It’s happening in stages with one big step being the sexual revolution of the late 60’s. Another big step has been the Internet and social networking with web-based child porn becoming endemic.
As for the discussion being too taboo, I disagree. The fact that you continue to post in the thread makes me question you commitment to this notion.