Paterno and Penn State

What the hell is a 10 year old boy doing in the locker room of a D1 NCAA athletic program by himself in the first place?

Discuss…

As a PSU Alumnus here, all I can say is that I am heavily troubled by what has been revealed. Coach Paterno’s whole theme in life revolves around sportsmanship and honor. Now it’s starting to look like maybe Joe listened to slimeball lawyers/Trustees/perverts when he should have sucked it up and done the right thing.

… and I was really looking forward to the game with Nebraska this weekend, too! Hopefully the team can suck it up and play on. Remember the 1994 season when #1 ranked Nebraska and #2 raked PSU never got to play each other that year? THAT’s a match I’d like to have seen. At least we won the Rose Bowl that year :stuck_out_tongue:

Penn State officials, Paterno included, put the welfare of their precious (and HUGELY profitable) football program ahead of the welfare of children who were being serially groomed and victimized by a child molester.

Read the grand jury transcripts and try not to gag. (http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf)

The fact that these guys knew what they knew when they knew it, and failed to take action which would have prevented Sandusky from sexually abusing another kid is simply inexcusable. They all bear some accountability.

No sympathy for Paterno. He failed to protect innocent kids being abused by a monster. Out of self-interest and self-preservation. Whatever his accomplishments as a coach, a leader, and a mentor, they are forever diminished by this act of moral cowardice.

I second this. To hell with his career and his accomplishments. All child-molesters should be dangled on rails for us to shoot at at the range.

I believe we’ll be seeing Paterno in criminal court as a witness, and civil court as a defendant before this story is completed. :frowning:

Agreed 110%, despite being a Penn Stater. This fucking hurts.

I couldn’t agree more.

I used to have the greatest respect for Paterno. But his actions in this case are inexcusible. I know that tehnically speaking he did what was required of him (taking this to the next person above him). But, when dealing with child sex abuse, I’d expect him to go above and beyond to protect the kids.

He should step down immediately. Not at the end of the season.

He may testify in the criminal case, against the others. However, he will not face criminal charges. The Grand Jury already cleared him.

He’ll definitely be in the civil case.

Yeah, this is what I said when this came up in a conversation yesterday. Anybody that ever played team sports and listened to coaches make speeches about integrity, character, etc., knows how they go on about this kind of thing. Well when it came time for him to have just a shred of decency (let alone other virtues he no doubt promoted in talks to athletes over the years) he failed his test BIG TIME.

Where were the parents? Doesn’t anybody watch their kids anymore after all the reports of abductions and rape in so many supposedly “safe” circumstances (school, church, scouts, etc)?

And how is it the guy who witnessed it happening did nothing but report it to Paterno? How about beating the living shit out of the pervert right then and there? How about calling the cops pronto and locking him up forever squared? How does someone witness a 10-yr old being raped and just “report it?!”

What I had heard was these kids were in some kind of state run program for “at risk” youth.

Here is how i see it…

G.A. saw it reported it to Joe Pa, Joe Pa then reports it to his A.D. and V.P. (who was over the campus police). End of Story as far as Joe Paterno is concerned. Could he have called the FBI, CIA, St. Police…ya i guess, but why are we making Paterno out to be the fall guy? Because people know his name. Should he had done more, yep. Will he pay for not, oh ya.

This whole deal stinks to high heaven. Especially when the D.A. refused to try the case…and has been missing for 5yrs…

This perv shouldve been locked up in 98 when they first investigated him.

I don’t know what to think.

Paterno says that what the G.A. told him was not detailed like the grand jury reports. He reported it up the chain of command.

If this is true, that what he was told was not that detailed, he may have done enough. I don’t know.

I am not a Penn State person, but I am not sure Paterno should get all the blame. He reported it to people who should have looked into it and didn’t. Those people are the ones with blood on their hands. It’s not like he was the one doing the abusive things to the kids or was involved or covering it up like the idiots he reported it to.

Hindsight is 20/20 .

I want to know exactly what he was told before I really pass any judgement. I am a rare alumnus though and have wanted Paterno out for a few years now.

agreed.

Read the grand jury transcript (Victim 2, page 6) linked in my earlier post.

It says the graduate student “reported what he had seen” to Paterno the next morning. And what he had seen was pretty graphic.

Pedophiles are Very Good at picking and grooming vulnerable children as victims. This piece of shit was obviously good at it. He freaking started a foundation the Second Mile which supplied him with the perfect victims.

He was a famous Penn State Football Coach with tons of status and power. I read the transcript and following the dirt bag Sandusky I am disgusted with the 28 year old graduate assistant, a 6’1" 200 + pound former football player. This man should have IMMEDIATELY stopped the rape of the ten year old boy by a 60 year old man he witnessed in the shower.

There are certain things that Require Immediate Action and the rape of a Ten Year Old Child is Pretty Fucking High on the list. Any force necessary would have been appropriate. Instead he is said to have left the area and called his Dad! WTF! He needs to have his man card revoked and should be branded a Coward.

He heard a slapping noise that sounded like sex before he saw the old man had the young boy bent over in the shower anally raping him. This is absolutely freaking disgusting. Yes it was passed up the chain of command but they let the guy keep his privileges and access to the school.

“reported what he had seen” does not mean anything. It could mean that he gave a general statement (I saw XYZ in the shower with a kid) to being very graphic (I saw XYZ raping a kid in the shower). Both would satisfy that statement.

(I have no bone in this – no relationship at all to Penn and could care less about Paterno. Paterno claims that he was not given the graphic details. It is important to know what he was given, in detail, not generalities, before we can judge him)

You will never know this for sure. Paterno and the GA were the only people in the room during the conversation and both are giving dramatically different accounts. Unfortunately, the GA did not have the foresight to put his observations in an email.

IMO Paterno is guilty for a couple of reasons. For all intents and purposes he is the de facto most powerful individual at PSU. He has a leadership position that can’t be touched. So just because he reported it, he cannot wash his hands of the situation. Once he reported the instance and didn’t get interviewed for a follow up by the LEOs or child protective services he should have followed up. He was morally obligated to do so. Next up are the local LEOs who actually did conduct and investigation and from reports had enough evidence to make an arrest. However they chose to ignore it. I can only speculate that they did so out of loyalty to the school. Joe Pa isn’t the only one culpable here. However he needs to pay.