I just installed an LWRC lpk in my Mega lower and it appears to be better than the Colt parts I have. The trigger is excellent for a mil type trigger. LWRC seems to be taking the next step in lpk QC.
I know this is an old thread, but I think an update is within reason. I just bought a BCM Recce16, and the LPK that BCM uses now must be different than what was used in Oct 2010 when this thread was active and everyone was saying how nice the BCM trigger is. I have used plenty of M16’s and M4’s and have an M&P15 and the trigger in my BCM is by far the worst trigger I have ever used. I have a Crossman pump BB gun that has a trigger that would rival my BCM trigger. The only trigger that I have ever shot with that I would pick the BCM trigger over is on my Bodyguard .380, but it is DAO so that is to be expected. I contacted BCM and they said “Thank you for contacting us. We do appreciate your business. The triggers installed in a RECCE 16 is a standard mil-spec trigger. It is not uncommon for a Standard mil-spec trigger to have some “grittiness” to it. Very normal. There are other mil-spec triggers that we offer directly on our website that may be more to your liking.” I have never used a mil-spec trigger that was gritty or one that had excessive creep. Of all the M16’s and M4’s that I have used, the unaltered mil-spec trigger has always typically very crisp, heavy, but crisp. I responded to let them know that I would take a short video of the creep that my BCM trigger has in comparison to other triggers and send it to them tonight, so we will see if that is the new status quo for BCM triggers or if mine is an anomoly.
I will update when they contact me after sending them a video.
GI Triggers can be all over the place in regards to pull weight and “feel.” This all normal. If you want a more consistent trigger (that is cheap), look at ALG Defense.
I wasn’t speaking of pull weight, I was speaking of the quarter inch of creep before a mushy break. I am fine with a trigger being heavy on an AR series rifle, but I am not okay with creep. I am going to take a short video and send it to BCM tonight when I get off work, and if you all want, I can post it here too to show what I am speaking of more efficiently.
On a side note, C4IGrant, did you get the email I sent you yesterday?
The trigger in my Colt LE6920 felt like your BCM trigger sounds, just gritty and overall crappy. After a couple of hundred rounds, and a good cleaning and lubricating it has come around nicely. AR’s remind me a lot of my 1911’s, they take a little range time to break in nicely.
Your problem does sound normal and not uncommon, and range time will make it better.
I never said my trigger was gritty. I said my trigger has excessive creep and a mushy break. I’m guessing where you got that my trigger is gritty is that BCM said it is normal for a mil-spec trigger to be gritty.
The best advice has been given. Clean the trigger well. Lube it well in the right spots. Dry fire/live fire the living crap out of it. Rinse and Repeat. Run at least 1500-2000 rounds through it and then re evaluate. If it still sucks, put in an ALG or Geissele or whatever makes you chubby.
Try that out before wasting your time with movies and things or spending gobs of cash.
Really? Spend hundreds of dollars to break it in is the best advise. Not even close. And how is sending a video to the manufacturer a waste of time? now onto your advise. Cleaning a trigger, lubing a trigger and shooting with a trigger does not resolve creep. If it was a gritty, tight or overweight trigger, that is the exact process to clean it up, but let me know how that resolves trigger creep.
Creep can be normal in GI triggers (unfortunately). They were never meant to have a perfect feel (no grit, no creep, etc). They were meant to be reliable. Nothing more.
I know that you might not like that answer, but is the truth. Personally, the first thing I do with ANY AR is remove the GI FCG and install a Geissele product.
1500-2000 rounds, as suggested, is quite a bit more expensive that dru firing and cleaning
I understand that, I was just stating that this is the first trigger in an AR15, M4 or M16 that has ever had any noticible creep, and I think it is quite excessive. If BCM finds that it is out of spec, I’ll make sure to update this thread to advice everyone that it didn’t take 1500-2000 rounds to get something broken fixed by the manufacturer, and if it is found to be in spec, I am taking the trigger out of my S&W and installing it in my BCM. I’m sure that someone is into the kool-aid enough to love to have a S&W M&P15 with a BCM trigger in it, regardless of whether the trigger is any good or not as long as it came out of a BCM.
So you weren’t going to spend hundreds of dollars shooting the gun anyway? I’m confused…if you don’t believe in giving it a chance to settle in then just replace it.
I’ll wait to see what BCM does and go from there. Thanks for your advise.
I’m not going to put 1500-2000 rounds through a rifle that I spent 1200 on if I’m npot satisfied with it. I equate that to buying an expesive car, having something wrong with it that causes a rough ride and having someone that is a fanboy of that brand say that they can’t believe you wouldn’t just drive it 1500-2000 miles to see if it smoothed out.
I do find a few things interesting about what is going on here. Firstly, I didn’t come here looking for advise, I came here to give an update to the thread. In Oct 2010, people were saying that BCM triggers were as smooth as glass, so I wanted to add an update showing that whatever triggers they used in Oct 2010 must have been different than what they use now, as the one that I received in Sep 2013 is horrible. Secondly, I find it interesting that every other thread that I have read on here concerning bad triggers, or any other problem, from brands that aren’t as revered as BCM are always chalked up to you get what you pay for, but when it has to do with BCM, the concensus is that’s how things are, just go shoot it.
Hey let us know what happens, I wish you the best of luck.