From the Times Herald Where Rob McCord, Katie McGinty, Allyson Schwartz and Tom Wolf stand on the issues, ( although we now know Tom Wolf won the democrat nod for governor) Pennsylvania Democratic Gubernatorial Primary Debate, Thursday, May 8, 2014, in Philadelphia
"GUN RIGHTS
All four candidates would sign legislation to enact universal background checks, ban sales of assault weapons, require that gun owners report lost or stolen guns and grant municipalities the ability to enact gun control ordinances.
McCord and Schwartz would sign legislation to limit the number of handguns that one person could buy in an effort to deter straw purchases. McGinty would not sign legislation to limit handgun purchases. Wolf wouldn’t say whether he would sign that legislation."
Not only do they plan a “Assault weapon ban” They would grant municipalities the ability to enact gun control ordinances, which I take it to mean IF you travel in PA, what is legal in one township or countyh maybe illegal in another.And with the recent Ban on DOMA in PA I dont see any constitutionality from our state legislators or Judicial system. Also take into consideration Tom Corbertt has the lowest approval rating of all governors. and is failing in the polls.
PA is in danger of becoming NY. NJ and CT, grave danger, and I dont see any gun owners standing up to fight like they should.
I agree that this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed BUT, as far as the democratic candidates, Wolf is the best of the group.
Also, PA has always been a largely democratic run state that has been noted for staying away from gun control.
I suggest that we start firing off letters and emails to our representatives.
I don’t know, things are different this time. Ever since Obama didn’t get his way with gun control, Every democrat has pushed for the same thing, limiting to 10 rounds, banning assault weapons and I haven’t heard any different from Wolf. I agree we need to write letters and emails, but its got to be more than just a couple guys on a gun forum There’s lots of gun owners who vote democrat in Pa and don’t see their rights as being threatened. much less care about black rifles
I agree.
I was at the NRA show in Harrisburg and a guy walked by our stand and said out loud, “There’s no reason to own a gun like that”.
I put chills down my spine that a guy at an NRA show said this.
PA has some ****ed up laws and people. Some of the complete shit explanations and things I have heard have boggled my mind up here. Even run into shit at some gun clubs who want to have more restrictive rules than NYC as to what you can shoot even one banning more than 3 rounds per mag. :nono::suicide2: What is baffling is that I have seen more gun clubs here than in other states that I have lived in. I live within 15 minutes of like five, and within 30 minutes I think I can get up to 10-12 including the public ranges. They have some of the largest trap shoots in the country with the PA state shoot rivaling the National shoot. There are a lot of pro gun people, but as has already been said there are a lot of gun owners who will vote Dem in a heart beat and have run into several who will spout that same shit as the Dems. “You don’t need that!” “There is no need for semi auto.” “If you allow semi auto rifles for hunting people will be getting shot left and right.” (Sure just like in every other state where semi auto is legal. And what about semi auto shotguns that are legal here? A lot of people getting shot? No. but they will still get pissed about you bringing it up) “ARs/AKs/ect are only for killing children/babies/ect.” And then there are more. Of course I have also run into people who are more paranoid and nutty than the Dems who were pro gun up here. And there are a lot of people who could use a good reading of the state and federal gun laws and what things actually mean and what is actually legal, the cops included to some degree at times.
Would be a nice idea of focus on the big cities since most of your democratic base are in the big cities up here with a lot of the rural areas being pretty staunch Republican. I live about two hours from Philly and an hour from Allentown and Harrisburg and I rarely see anti gun or pro Dem bumperstickers unless I am actually in the city and driving around my AO I do see a shit ton of NRA and gun stickers so there is hope. Still need to stay on the top of things though and educate people.
I don’t think both state houses are going to fall far enough into Democrat hands for them to enact any new gun control legislation, if the Dems even take any majority at all. Things seem worse in Philadelphia and Harrisburg, but anywhere outside of those cities and the immediate suburbs is pretty red and pretty pro gun. I’m only about 45 minutes north of Philly and it’s a pretty gun friendly area even here. PA is fine for now.
Also remember, like the president, the governor’s opinion doesn’t mean squat, and this is not yet a deep blue state. In NY, CT, CA, etc, the Dems could declare a day honoring Hitler celebrated by the mandatory eating of babies and they’d still win with 99% of the vote. PA is still a swing state, and votes, especially at for state and local government, still count. Thus, both parties have to be careful in what they try to pass. I don’t think the Democrats will really try to ram through an AWB at this time if by some miracle they get a supermajority in the legislation.
Pittsburgh is another Anti city. Philly is the worst I went to a rally in Harrisburg Last year to protest cease fire, lets just say I was the only one from Philly who was pro gun
There are plenty of pro-gun people in PA (all guns, not just cuddly friendly looking ones) but it does not pay to let our guard down. We are a target for lots of folks with piles of money and political horsepower from within and outside the Commonwealth. Keep your eyes and ears open and stay in touch with your legislators.
Ugh, I’m from PA and there is a large gun culture here, but to use that cliche term, there are an awful lot of “fudds” that don’t fully support 2A rights and don’t care what happens as long as they can keep their Bambi shooter. They’re frankly almost as bad as the straight up antis.
I’ve experienced this first hand at a really nice club I belonged to. The officers decided that “their” club was for “sportsmen” only and banned more than 6 rounds in any semi auto and banned “rapid” fire.
I told them that I couldn’t even practice the courses of fire for another local club’s military shoot with an M1 Garand or carbine due to their asinine rules. I asked them why that didn’t make me a “sportsmen” and was met with blank stares… I dropped my membership right then.
A lot of these people are truly brainless and/or don’t understand the “slippery slope”. Once they outlaw black rifles, etc and then start gunning for stuff like the semi-auto shotguns the waterfowl hunters use, then they’ll be up-in-arms but it will also be too late.
You see, this is something I never understood. How is one gun more more cuddly than the other? I mean sure a high gloss stock with royal bluing is pretty, but my BCM with ACOG, DD rail, and Scout light is just as pretty in it’s own way, and I promise you it gets handled and loved on a hell of a lot more than some 20K showpiece. If people want to consider rap music than I consider my BCM a work of high art.
I do a lot of gun shows in the Philly, York, Harrisburg and Pittsburgh area. There is such a large concentration of FUDDS there it’s crazy. I also believe that general lack of knowledge is an issue in this area too.
This area breeds the “I have a gun so I know everything there is to know” attitude.
I dropped our department’s membership at gun club in our town because we were getting yelled at for “rapid firing”. The irony of a drunk “board member” running out of the bar and telling the police that they are shooting too fast and going to ruin the back stops.
I also see the same attitude in local gun shops. I have quit working in gun shops due to the general lack of knowledge or stubbornness of the owners and other employees.
I always ask them if they primarily are a Hunter? When they proudly affirm this, I ask them if they have grocery store near where they live… If they mention Game Management, I say that is a job best left to Government Wildlife Professionals than a bunch of bloodlusty dangerous amateurs and yahoos.
A few may get what you are doing, the rest will delightfully go away pissed.
The good thing is that the majority of the fudds are the “softcore” variety. They only like the “old stuff” and “gentleman’s” guns and get REAL snotty with anyone who owns an AR or any pistol made of polymer. However, they are still mostly conservative and libertarian types who still strongly oppose any further gun legislation if for no other reason than they don’t want any more government interference in anything. They may not give a damn about semi-auto rifles and 10+ round magazines, and they may even look down on those of us who do, but when push comes to shove, they still tend to side with us. The fudds who actively support an AWB or universal checks are actually becoming fewer and fewer I’ve found.
Perhaps. But a damn large number still get pissed and pull some random shit out of their asses about body counts, blood running on the hunting grounds, and everything when you bring up legalizing semi auto rifles for hunting. The seem to think that as soon as you let your average hunter be able to hunt with a rifle that is semi auto they will be shooting at anything that moves. :rolleyes:
One step at a time I suppose.
